Title: R-Cities & Arup | شهرهای تاب آور – چیستی، چرایی و چگونه…

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قسمتي از متن فيلم: Good afternoon everybody thank you for joining us today and uh thank you to the guests they’ll introduce themselves in a minute but i want to just start with a little bit of background so that people understand the context of this this gathering so about 10 years ago arab was working with the rockefeller

Foundation to develop a holistic approach to city resilience the city resilience framework and subsequently city resilience index and what came out of that was a program of work that was about installing city resilience offices into 100 cities around the world funded by the rockefeller foundation in an organization that was created that

Became known as the 100 rc program and lauren here was part of that program and can perhaps say a little bit more about it that program very successfully helped cities around the world to devise resilience strategies using the framework that arab had been part of creating and as that process became complete

The question was asked about what happens next to these organizations that have been created at the time lauren was leading the asia pacific unit for the 100 institute’s program and we had one of those coffee conversations like what do we do now the consequence of that was an agreement

That was actually signed about an hour ago where arab and the brazilian cities network our cities are now formally confirmed as global partners going forward that for some of you you’ll be aware that arab has a long-standing partnership with the c40 cities program and the ellen macarthur foundation so

This is at the same level of importance and significance in the firm global partnership agreement over a three-year basis so that’s that’s why we’re here we’re here to celebrate that that agreement has been signed and we’re also here to share with you and an audience around arab um some thoughts on

Why arab and the our cities organization can work together to make a meaningful impact for city resilience around the world so without further ado i’d like to ask the guests to introduce themselves briefly and then we’re going to come back to lauren who’s going to say a little bit more about the organization

Uh thanks neil first of all i just wanted to say uh thanks to eric for hosting us and we’re really happy to be here and um signing this global partnership agreement and thanks to all of you for kind of voting with your feet and coming to listen uh to a lunchtime chat

Hopefully we can provide um a lot of insight on what we’re doing with cities around the world and how this partnership is going to really uh help us accelerate that work um it’s by um by way of background oh before i get to that i also just want to thank two of

Our board members who have come all the way here to to be here and to get to know you better paul super mania who’s in the audience has come here from singapore um and daniel cena has come all the way from hackney so perhaps less distance but um

By no means less dear to us um so we uh um uh getting back to background so as you can tell by my accent i i am american by background i’m an environmental economist and i started working on climate change and conservation about two decades ago and um

I i always tell the story about my pivot from environment to cities and and that was a result of working on a project at a consulting firm um not unlike this one and my mentor at the time had said lauren please come over to thailand and help me

Uh to work on a clean energy and climate program in in bangkok and so like any um you know adventurous international development person in their 20s i said sure and as the plane was about to land in subuniform airport i saw the extent of the city and how far

It was moving and i knew then that if we really wanted to make change at scale and in a meaningful way that cities were were the unit that i wanted to work in so um i’ve been now working with resilient cities for the better part of seven years formerly as the asia director

Um and and now as the executive director so that’s a little bit about me thank you daniel hi everyone neil thank you very much for having me thank you for the invitation really lovely to be here i will try and be brief i’ll tell you a little bit about

Where i’ve been and then my role or my relationship with lauren in this particular conversation so i spent the last 25 years working at the interface between risk and innovation that innovation has typically taken three forms scientific innovation technological innovation and financial product innovation often all three at

The same time so if i have an area of expertise other than knowing hackney really well and how to cycle here it’s that combination between risk and how we innovate around science technology and financial product to bring them all together to make the world a more resilient place i’ve been involved with

۱۰۰rc on resilient cities since the get-go not as an employee of 100rc but actually with the jargon there were some strategic partners and there were some platform partners and arab was one of those partners um and the firm that i represented at the time was also one of

The first platform partners so i’ve been on the journey more or less for as long as lauren has and when 100rc made that pivot um lauren was kind enough to ask me if i would join our global board and that’s an absolute honour my main day job though is i’m a special

Adviser to the united nations i actually advise two different agencies at the un undrrr which is the united nations office of disaster risk reduction and undp which is the on the ground development arm of the united nations program which is focused on the 170 poorer countries in the world to try and

Accelerate the delivery of the sustainable development goals and i try and bring an innovation lens and a finance lens and a technology lens to essentially the delivery of those goals and trying to make the world less risky and more resilient especially with lauren in an urban context i hope that was helpful

Cool thank you daniel um i’m joe de silva i know some of you i don’t know others um i started life as a structural and civil engineer and my work uh took me in two different directions one was working with some of the best architects in the world designing

Buildings and the other was going out to post-disaster situations with radar to go and use my skills and expertise to reduce suffering and vulnerability in the aftermath of disasters having done that for a bit i realized that responding to disasters is one approach but the other approach

Is actually we could really stop those disasters happening and when i was working for the un following the indian ocean tsunami i realized there was a big gap which was understanding within a lot of the people working in this space that actually possibly the biggest issue

That was facing the planet at the time was the fact that 50 percent of the world now lived in cities and the future was cities and rather like lauren i realized that that’s of the direction of travel i wanted to go in i also mind terribly about what’s happening in the

Global south because that’s where most the vulnerability is the highest and so i came back to arab and set up the international development business and did that for about sort of 10 years and i now lead on sustainable development globally this shift that we’re creating in the firm to make sure

That everything we do contributes to a sustainable future you know through all of that you know resilience has been at the at so center of everything i’ve done really since about 2007. um i was lucky enough for the rockefeller foundation to give us a big

Grant to do the work that led to the city residents framework that led to 100 resilient cities has carried on and we’ve just had a lovely conversation this morning um about the sort of the fact that really resilient cities network is the custodian of what urban resilience you know really means

Um and so hugely excited that we have finally got to signatures jerome frost’s signature lules on the piece of paper and that we’re now in in a formal agreement in a new chapter of the relationship juliet thank you joe um last in a long line of impressive people so hi everyone

I’m juliette miyan i’m a director in the climate and sustainability services based in our midlands campus office i’m a civil engineer by background been specialising for a long time now on infrastructure risk and resilience with with most of our own clients being infrastructure clients seeking to build the resilience of their systems um

The past four years-ish i’ve had a leadership role on the on the resilient shift which i’m sure a lot of you would have heard me i do talk a lot about the resilient shift um it’s an arab-led initiative we delivered it in partnership with the lloyds register foundation and our focus was on

A shift in resilience practice for critical infrastructure systems where we are now that initial grant is complete which is which is an exciting place for us because we finished it we sort of wrapped up everything that we that we’d undertaken to do and i’m now the partnership director similar to neil’s role

With um our cities i’m the partnership director for resilience rising which is a new non-profit initiative that’s that’s sprung out of the foundations of the resilience shift and i think a huge number of synergies and overlaps and it’s quite exciting to see how we’re going to sort of create that bigger systemic change

Through these partnerships most importantly for this conversation as it says here i’m the i’m the global leader for our resilient skills network within europe so hopefully a lot of you will know and be members already but that’s a it’s a global community for our risk and resilience practitioners we’re

Looking to enhance resilience to climate change and other shocks and stresses keeping it more holistic than climate change um and it’s both specialist practitioners and also sort of members across all of the other arab portfolios for whom resilience is important i think we recognize that for our

Resilience is such a big topic we can’t do this on our own so these partnerships are so important we’re not only we can’t we shouldn’t even be trying to solve resilience challenges on our own as arab so so having these partnerships to influence collaborate with is a great opportunity

Thank you thank you julia um and we’ve managed to consume 15 minutes on getting the ball rolling well that’s cool because i think they’re very um insightful introductions it’s not just names and you know where you’re from and what you came for which is i think really useful um

Moving into the kind of discussion and the the title resiliency is the the what the why and the how um and i think lauren if we can start with you and uh a bit of an overview of what how you introduce your organization to anyone who ever asks

Um and yeah so that we can all understand a bit more sure um so so i’ll do that and then i’ll i’ll talk about the kinds of things that we do with arrow in those different modalities that we work in because i think for this audience that’s probably

What’s most interesting to you is to maybe see yourself in the partnership um so you know as a resilient cities network we work with about a hundred city members um in about 47 countries and we work with those cities on holistic resilience and when we talk about holistic

Urban resilience and probably if you join juliette in her skills group you’ll be able to put your hand over your heart and say the definition of urban resilience as as we use it which is the capacity of individuals businesses institutions and systems within a city to survive adapt and thrive in the face

Of acute shocks or chronic stresses and the reason we use that kind of bold and broad definition of resilience is because we really look at resilience in terms of economics we look at it in terms of social and we look at it in terms of environment so the climate types of

Issues but also other environmental shocks and stresses and as an organization our role is to actually reduce the vulnerability of the 220 million people that are the residents of the cities that we serve and we do that through three main modalities the first is what we call our

Empowerment so we empower our cities by providing them with the tools the frameworks the trainings and also a brand a global communication brand and the language they need to communicate as policy makers and as practitioners about resilience as a theme and so uh when we’ve worked with our in

The past and we will continue to work in the future we just talked about this this morning is in continuing to provide the best possible frameworks for doing this work so if you’re a city and you want to write your new resilience plan how are you going to do that what

Questions are you going to ask what tools are you going to use and when we do that in specific sectors say in the water sector and we have martin and catrin sitting in the front row i mean we’ve done a lot of work on what are the tools we need to do water

Assessments the next modality that we work in with our cities is multi-city programs and this is something that we’re really excited about because it’s not something that we did during the 100 resilient cities time which was only focused on planning multi-city programs are exactly what they sound like

They are city programs that take the demand from multiple cities in our network and they work to deliver resilience projects um and so where we’ve worked with arab in this space is where we’re preparing a set of projects around water resilience infrastructure or around infrastructure projects in asia that are

Resilient to climate change we’ll look at how we can plug in the advisory skills of the arab team into evaluating and improving those projects and then the last modality that we work through is funding so we leverage finance which is why danielle is such a critical member of our board we leverage

Finance to invest in resilience projects and so we have the resilience community impact fund which is a small grants matching fund for our cities that helps them to get that extra bit of financing to to do the work they do so that’s what we do at brazilian cities network cool thank you and

Has anything changed since the early days of of the uh creation of the city resilience framework do you feel things have changed has anyone noticed anything happening out there might have changed the agenda i think you know we’ve all lived through probably one of the strangest last

Couple of years um of our lives right between covid and um what we’re experiencing in terms of intensity of climate impacts um across all of our um geographies so uh it’s become a lot easier to talk about the need for resilience i’m not so sure it’s gotten

That much easier to get people to actually plan and invest in resilience but it’s certainly gotten easier to make the case that it’s essential we’re going to come back to some of that from from an arab perspective juliette how have you seen things changing over the last few years i guess um

A lot has changed and for me that’s why the work we do is it’s not just important but it’s also fun because it’s never standing still the whole the whole sort of agenda of resilience i think looking at the resilience skills network so going back 10 years we didn’t have a

Resilient skills network at all in arab that was joe’s sort of realization that there’s practitioners all across europe it was you know initially a lot of the city resilience the big change for us over the even the past few months is we’ve retitled our city within skills network as resilience

Recognizing that the city scale challenge is only one of the things we do and there’s there’s the different scales and we need to be working in all of them there’s a lot more interest in arab and a lot more awareness of resilience and things like covid have been important

For that to sort of actually help us explain what we do and what we’re talking about when we talk about cascading failures and global connections but i think the increased the increased interest also continues to create increased fragmentation and that remains our challenge i think it’s a

This is a an external issue and internally we all talk about resilience we all do important work but it can be very fragmented so so trying to we we’re always trying to sort of get that common language consistency um without being it’s not without being prescriptive as to exactly what we mean

By bringing these conversations together because we can do a lot more cool joe and daniel are looking at me it’s a hint that i have to ask them a question well you don’t need to ask me a question but i do want to know that daniel is

Well given all of that evolution what what are city leaders really worrying about today what’s top of the the city’s agenda now i’m not sure i’m best placed to answer that question i can start i can’t have a stab but lauren speaks to the network as individual city leaders a

Little bit more frequently than i do i mean i can have a go but can i can i reflect on something else which is you are asking a question about what’s changed and there’s stuff that’s changed in the world um and there are reasons why it’s easier

And to get it on the agenda and make the business case and there are plenty of reasons why it’s harder to actually get it funded i mean they’re unspoken but we could go into that in a little bit more detail um i wanted to reflect on this is

Slightly outside in lauren because you know i’ve been a friend to the network and i’m on the board i’m not quite in them but and joe you’ve been involved in this for a long time one of the key differences i think about how this network operates now as opposed to

How it did when it first started was it’s less top-down and it’s more bottom-up right it was originally the brainchild of a few people who wanted to drive a change um and we can name those people but it was it felt like it needed to be led from the top

Now it feels like we’ve flipped the model on its head and we’re and this is part of lauren’s work and when she talks about her multi-city programs this speaks really to that is we’re listening a lot more to what the cities want and being led by them and their agendas

In no small part because of the work that was done over the first five years to get them thinking about it and there’s one other change which i think um is hand in glove with this is ten years ago it was all about how do we help the cities think about resilience

Holistically and then put a strategy in place where we are now is they will have strategies in fact one of them is just about to publish their second or is just published rotterdam has just published this the update strategy so where we are they all have strategies now and then it’s

All about implementation and then financing that implementation which is why i think it’s appropriate but it’s less top down in getting the cities to think holistically and put the strategy in place and now much more bottom up to say okay how do we actually activate it so not an answer to your question

But chiming into what was said before that’s okay in the spirit of partnership that’s cool sdg 17 partnership for those lauren what are they telling you what’s what’s the top three things that city leaders are are saying they need help to address understand and address so just

To give you a little bit of insight once a year we ask our cities what is top of mind because we want to stay in tune with that so we have a formal survey of all the network members once a year but we also meet with what we call

Our global steering committee of our cities and those are the cities who month to month every month they meet two representatives from each of our five regions to determine our future programs and and to reflect on really how we’re doing and we’re a very transparent organization we share our budget with

Them they comment on it on a yearly basis before it goes to our board um and so on so so we we do communicate with our cities and our city leaders very very often um the the top priority in terms of resilience offices mandates mandates remains climate change

Resilience and about 70 percent of our cities list that as the top priority um economic resilience has come up an equitable recovery from covet 19 as a major priority that’s probably no surprise to anyone here but i think that the emphasis on the equity and the economic opportunity in the resilience conversation

Is something that is much more pronounced than it was um just just a few years ago um and so those are really the top priorities that we see coming from our city leaders and then integrating them in the plans and projects is you know part and parcel of the different programmatic work cool

So joe when i think i first rang you and said there’s this opportunity to work with lauren as this idea was coming together you were immediately like i can see lots of good reasons why we should do that so now that we’ve got an agreement in place can you share what

Some of those reasons were so people who understand why why we think that the joint initiative is is more powerful for impact and change so you know one of the things that um i’ve been interested in for many years and through my career is how you get relationships between different organizations

Change doesn’t happen within an organization much it actually happens when you get different people together with different ideas and perspectives but partnerships are difficult relationships are difficult and they’re difficult if they’re unequal and they’re difficult if they don’t have kind of mutual benefit and a shared agenda and shared values

And the thing about um our cities is as lauren said it’s a network of about 100 cities in just under 50 countries well arab is also a network of about 100 offices in about 50 countries so actually our reach is roughly the same our perspective is informed in both organizations by what’s

Happening around the whole world is very different to having a relationship with an organization that doesn’t have a comparable kind of global footprint and our cities are grounded in the reality of what cities are experiencing and you know we can learn a lot from that in terms of understanding the

Challenges they’re facing um therefore the services they’re going to need but equally well they need the depth and breadth of knowledge of expertise that exist exists you know across our firm and you know we were reflecting this morning on like some of the things that we’ve just been doing together over the

Last couple of three years and you know we’ve been working with them on energy in cities distributed renewable energy in cities and when that came up it was like oh who’s going to do that oh well thomas brio can do that and stephen cook we’ve got experts in that area you

Know we’re working with our cities on food resilience in cities and you know some of you may be aware that we’ve got a newish network of people around the firm who are particularly interested in food and urban agriculture and food resilience um you know we did a resilient strategy for qatar years ago

When they ran out of chickens um which you know i got involved in but you know that you know it’s it’s that knowledge and that that networks and and then you know that becomes a demand that’s coming you know from our cities that you know a group of their cities is saying

Food we want to think about food in a different way the resilience of food really matters um and then we can pull on different people from across the firm and and pool our brains and actually direct them at somewhere where the thinking that we’re doing is actually going to really drive practice

And not just in one place but in in multiple places i’m absolutely convinced uh that you know arabs future is shifting our horizons to to the impact that we can create you know and you know we’re not going to do that just by adding up all the projects that we do

We’ve got to think about how we can amplify what we do through work with individual clients and be generous and share our knowledge so that we actually have a bigger impact in the world and we can do that in a way that you know our competitors can’t and that’s

Simply because we’re owned by ourselves um you know whereas you know the border arab their job is to make sure that arab perpetuates and we continue to fill um our aims and objectives and mission to shape a better world whereas a board of our competitors have a sort of

Top level responsibility which is to maximize profit to external shake holders external shareholders and because we don’t have that because of our independence we can kind of do things like this you know and that’s why i’m here um and you know that’s why you know i really passionately believe in in

These partnerships as an opportunity for us to really really really make the world a better place in a big way not just a little way thanks joe um julia can you say a little bit about kind of tools and techniques that the skills network has evolved and developed

I could say a lot about yeah so rather than start talking about the possibly hundreds of tools and techniques i think and we we looked at this a lot it’s the question that never goes away we looked at it a lot through the resilient shift everyone’s like i get

This it’s important just give me the tool and i’ll do it um there’s no one tool there’s no one technique there’s no silver bullet we’re never in arab gonna have the magical one size fits all tool and that’s probably the most the most important thing

The other part is just as i said there’s no shortage of tools so so one of our tasks is kind of catalog curate point people towards what they need really encourage people to look hard before because we do love building a new tool in our that’s like

The first like oh maybe we’ll build a tool for it before we’ve actually looked to see whether we need at all um it’s not this is not really about but this is more about the landscape of tools but but we do i feel have a an ongoing debate and tension within our between

What we can quantify and what we can only qualify and and a lot of the world really keen to go down the quantitative route and others saying you know it’s it’s community it’s social equity it’s very hard and i think again for the skills network trying to provide that holistic helicopter view

We need to recognize the importance of both if we need to quantify what we can and i think for the for the business case for the investment case those numbers are really important but if we forget about the things we can’t quantify and if all our tools go in that direction we’re

Really missing something so on that no you know it’s not always at all i think sometimes our tool is getting people in a room together and talking about it there does seem to be a thread here that could keep coming back to collaboration and so i said it before but

Sdg 17 right yeah yeah it is it’s my favorite sdg or the the issues sdgs are all important but we can’t achieve any of them unless we work together i wanted to just come back on something you said though because you’re talking about tools and talking about skills and i’m

Assuming you’re talking primarily from an internal skills perspective but probably not exclusively and i want to make a really big emphasis around the importance of those skills and leadership skills in the cities themselves around resilience and and i remember fondly when i think about the original will that there was i

Think a whole quadrant that is focused on the leadership capacity within the cities themselves so i’m not 100 sure what perspective you know you talk about the fondness within arab for building tools maybe for the sake of talking but but but you know there is an absolute

Need for that out in the world especially in municipal governments those leadership skills and the tools to enable that around brazilian so i applaud that and i want to see more of that so stay with you daniel the my in my eyes the two biggest challenges for city leaders is capacity to make

Things happen and an ability to pay for it and laurence hinted about your financial value i don’t have very deep pockets personally yeah yeah yeah but but but you know where the money is so can you can you share perhaps a little bit about um where city leaders

Might be looking to find ways to pay for these essential investments that sometimes don’t look like they’re essential because they’re not vote winners tomorrow but it’s part of a much bigger strategic commitment to change so i i’m going to try and be brief on this because there are lots of different

Potential revenue streams for a city and you can forget stuff done and financing lots of different ways and the single biggest asset to a given city is its tax base and its regular budget and its income right that should go without saying but i’m not going to talk about

That and what i want to talk about is the vast amount of capital in the private sector that is hungry for a home that will deliver yes a return um but that will also deliver some purpose with that profit and there especially in the capital markets um but

Also in the risk finance markets as well so what you think of is the insurance and the reinsurance markets there is a lot of money that needs to be put to good use and unfortunately two things one you tend to find lauren you can slap me if you disagree that

Cross and cfos in cities often don’t talk and often they don’t talk the same language right and we need to get them talking more it’s started but then we’ve got ways to go and then the other thing i don’t think they do very well especially the chief resilience officers is they don’t really

Understand how financial markets work and actually how attractive a lot of their projects are to external investment um and uh just to make the point really clearly there are a number of projects which will have the dual benefit of both addressing the climate issues around reducing greenhouse gases right we can think of

Loads of those that would also have adaptive resilience building measures um that would be attractive to both um risk capital providers and debt equity providers on on on the capital market side um so therefore what’s missing one cross and cfo’s talking together two the city is better knowing how to access

Those markets and then three um we talked a little bit earlier about business cases but really how do we articulate um those those as investment theses that play into frankly huge demand and increasingly growing demand for this yeah brilliant thank you very much daniel thanks to you all for your

Contribution so far uh we’ve got about a seven or eight minutes left so a chance to uh seek questions within the room uh ben is here i think with a with a roving mic so if you raise your hand if you’ve got a question and can you also introduce yourself

Before your question for the benefit of the online audience in particular hello hello paul superman i’m from rcn in singapore um i like the point you made at the end daniel about ppp and the need for cross to understand the financing model better is there a case for putting out some case studies

Of ppp modality as part of the training of cros and in thinking through ppp of course different cities are at completely different stages of development a number of cities balance sheets make them unfinanciable to the private sector because of their chronic debt and when you look at things

On a project by project basis whether you can hermatically seal those vertically with risk mitigation you know is highly questionable so again when we talk about resilience and urban resilience i think we need to be thinking of things on very stratified basis we need grade a cities grade b

Grade c and different modalities for each and that perhaps ought to be a way in which some of these collaborative partnerships this very interesting one with arab which you know i wish enormously well um tries to address that and whether then strategically it’s better to work on hanging fruit and set

Those as positive examples for a leveling up or whether you start at some of the lowest levels almost the basket case cities and try and show the art of the possible who wants to start that’s tempting i think i mean paul it’s such a great question it’s a robust question um it

Probably deserves a separate um lunchtime talk just on on that factor but i think we’ve seen a lot of the former we’ve seen a lot of the best case study ppps held up on a pedestal to say this is the art of the possible but i think that we know enough

About where the high vulnerability areas are that we ought to do your second suggestion which is actually look at the places the dhakas the you know the the highly vulnerable areas um in our you know secondary and tertiary indonesian cities that are growing so fast

Um to to look at our african cities and say what is necessary and what are the financial tools that we can use in order to protect people and to safe guard their assets and their livelihoods um i think that we have a bit of a gating issue when it

Comes to finance and daniel this is your opportunity to slap me back if you disagree um you know i think we have a gating issue where we talk about bankability and we talk about internal rates of return and we talk about you know stratified finance in a language that is incomprehensible

To most city officials in secondary and tertiary cities who don’t have as you mentioned a credit rating or an ability to do this work yet they are the most vulnerable so i think that’s something that we have to actually crack down on if we’re really serious um in building

Urban resilience and building urban resilience finance can i just share a thought brief briefly okay so two there’s two parts of this there yes is the answer to the question and yes in the way to do it two thoughts are there are no shortage of institutions who understand

The financial markets who wouldn’t who would want to get involved in this because it not only behooves them but it suits their interests as well so i’m not saying that arab wouldn’t have that expertise but there would be others with um you know track record in the capital

Markets to understand that would want to lean into a program of work like that um so i i think that’s the first thing and i’ve completely forgotten the second thing which is good because it happened fantastic and maybe from the a turnkey bottom with these families and only then does it become powerful

And i think we should also not forget and i would like to so my name is i’m working with lauren leading our programmatic work what we shouldn’t forget is and most probably i’m not allowed to say that but the private sector is not sorting all the problems we are having

Around the world and i think on the other side of financing and that is what and joe thank you so much you deeply spoke to my heart when saying that we are we need to make this world a better place is that we have development aid we

Have oda coming in we have huge investors in a different kind of space pushing thousands and thousands of dollars into into africa and the question is how do we are changing their mindset and we were coming just back from the world of forum and um and one of the big successes yesterday

Was to have the german development corporation sitting on a panel saying we need to think about resilience and institutionalizing resilience so we actually need to have the institutional structures to push money into cities and to actually get these projects done so i think we are we really have to look at

Globally on where we where where we find our largest impacts and development aid is still a big part of the work we are doing in the global south thanks ketchup there’s a question behind you there catching uh hi um hi i’m liane from transport uh i

Would just like to ask a quick question and i think we all hear we have the same ambitions of driving resilience and everything and also communities in the global south they really want to see their living conditions improved but sometimes often the barrier that we kind of find is political

Is the political cycles and i would like to ask how do you usually navigate those and how do you because that also relates quite a lot with with this huge push for making business cases as strong as possible because politicians do want to see like okay which results can we

Deliver quickly so that we gain you know so that we are okay for the next political runoff so yeah thanks ellie uh joe do you want to start with am i going to respond to that it’s a very real question it’s a very you know very

Reality the first thing that i ask about when someone starts talking to me about working in a new city is just tell me about the city and they start telling me how big is it is how dense it is what its major economy is etcetera etcetera etcetera and

The question i always always want to know is when was the mayor last elected when’s the next election coming up what does he or she care about because that that is really that the biggest lever for creating change when we were working with 100 resident cities supporting numerous cities simultaneously to develop strategies

In some cases what we did is we we developed the strategy almost all the way and then actually held it back until that election cycle had gone through because there was no point pushing it through you know a year before the mayor was out of office we had to wait

Until the new mayor was in office and would endorse it and really believe it and then it provided a platform for the next few years and you know go on but the same is true you know in an organization like arab you know we have our chairman changes or chair changes every

You know four or five years and you know we go through sort of similar cycles um you know but that that is a you know that reality of understanding the politics is is really important in terms of really thinking hard about the influence um that you can have the other thing

That we’ve done quite often is just really quick wins you know i mean i think i think a trait of arab is we tend to over complicate things you know we tend to go for the rolls-royce when a fiat will actually do and so you know actually you know people

Want want things to happen now um and so you know some of the approaches that we’ve had working you know with cities you know they come up with all the things that you could do in order to build your resilience a shopping list of things and they say okay

Which ones of those is their political will to do and the shopping list goes down you know which ones have you got actually money today to do goes down which ones have you got actually people who can lead those projects the list goes down and says okay well let’s get on with those

While we sort out you know what we do about all the rest but i think it’s really important to keep that momentum going and to really think in a sort of no regrets do no harm mentality um you know if you really believe that you’re not doing harm and

There’s no regrets get on with it because the the level of disruption the world’s facing is increasing vulnerability on literally a daily basis and we can’t afford to wait i want to just add to that um because i think joe you’ve hit on all the principles right of doing this and the

Ways to do it so beautifully and actually that’s one of the best traits of arab maybe the latter on over complicating is is a as a negative but one of the best parts is that you always get back to principles and you’re always going to do things with a why

That’s really really clear i i want to talk about tactics and so you talked about narrowing the project list i think there’s two other things that we do with all of our cities consistently as a means of ensuring the continuity of the resilience conversation one is we train technical staff

So we work with chief resilience officers the mayors are not the chief resilience officers the governors the municipal commissioners are not the resilience officers there’s a reason that the terms of reference for every chief resilience officer has them at a mayor or a governor minus one position that is

Intentional because we don’t want that person to be political we want them to be invested in the long-term resilience of the city and we want to build a team around them so that when an administration changes you can still continue with the resilience agenda and

I think the second thing and this is a big impetus for us starting the resilience community impact fund is because that small list of projects right that you were talking about joe that meets the criteria that’s going to be catalytic that’s going to move fast and it’s going to protect people

Very often the city can’t quite mobilize that funding fast enough but if you make a little bit of funding available these are not the projects in the millions right you can actually have those quick wins and that can help stay the agenda in a place that is very volatile

Fantastic we’ve got i think one more question here we might get too much we might do no promises either um yeah thanks thanks very much for for today my name is corbis i’m in digital services and i think just to tie a tie into everything that was said i think

It’s i think there’s opportunity for us to really formulate understanding because i think with resilience comes complexity and juliet was mentioning systemic change do people really understand what systemic change means and the fact that it’s a paradigm shift and i think if we can instill that in all levels that we work in

Even from the bottom up from community level people can really get engaged and understand what needs doing yeah very very good point anyone want to comment on that i would just absolutely agree just agree and yes yes please martin you’re in got time thank you

Can i just first of all thank the panel i think that’s been really interesting um session today and really exciting to have um resilient cities network together with arab you know formalizing that relationship we’ve been working together for five six years longer and we’ll continue to do so um but it’s great that

We can shine the light um a bit further so my question really is about um i suppose the beauty and complexity of uh resilience and how we can perhaps empower and facilitate peer-to-peer learning between cities so perhaps thinking about the global north the global south i think knowledge exchange between cities

And unearthing that um good examples um of of managing risk um for those cities how do we do that how to sit there’s so much knowledge inherent within cities how do we tap into that as well as bring in new thinking i want to start on that from from my point of view

One of the reasons this is happening right now is to get people talking and the more we talk amongst ourselves the more we talk amongst our colleagues in other offices in other portfolios in other parts of the business the more everyone recognizes that this agenda is not a silo this is an umbrella

Across everything that happens in cities so i think that that would be my starting point and you know tell people about how much interesting things were said today send them the link when it goes out live on the internal systems and point them in the direction of juliet or myself

If they have any interest in knowing more or getting more involved beyond that i mean i would say there there’s really intentional um knowledge sharing and we have a knowledge strategy to get the word out um to our cities we realized very early on in the transition from 100

Resilient cities to resilient cities network that we needed to actually democratize that information most of the focus during the 100 resilient cities time and perhaps intentionally because it was foundational times right and cities were just learning how to to formulate strategies and so on um most of the focus was on exchange in

Between the cities in the different regions or in the different sectors and there wasn’t a lot of external knowledge sharing we now have very consciously made that into a three-tiered approach and that is we have that still very precious internal space where cities just talk to other cities in communities

Of practice or in regional communities and those meet usually monthly or every other month but we’ve also opened up communication at a second level which is we used to actually be as resilient cities um the brokers of knowledge between our cities and now during covid that wasn’t

Practical cities needed to talk to each other in real time so we opened up whatsapp channels and different links so that cities could just directly ask each other questions but we also realized there was a much bigger audience for resilience communication and that we needed to open

That up on a much larger scale and that that needed to be a conversation not just a website and so we had started during um actually right before the who declared uh covet 19 of pandemic a series called cities on the front line that we co-convened with the world bank

And at the beginning i lived through this i remember it was actually weekly we were getting content up there to talk about what was cutting edge and resilience and now it’s every other week and that forum is open to anyone who wants to be there it’s a webinar it’s specifically aimed

For practitioners so we would welcome anyone to be there and all of the previous episodes on all of the topics are on the website you can listen into them um at any time so anybody else want to come in there now here we go time for one last question

Richard hughes consultant to arab um brazilians and cities are are very fashionable words with inside academia vast amounts of very good research is taking place there but very academic how do you translate that into practical actions clearly training undergraduates in across the range of scientific and social topics and engineering topics as

Well is is fundamentally important but i think could be more holistically addressed by academia very interesting thank you richard uh joe um i can respond to that because um i think it’s very real and it’s a very real question i think you know the future relies on the people who are studying at

University now or will be over the next 10 years you know learning the skills and capabilities and knowledge that they bring into the workplace one of the things i’m interested in the firm is how we turn this firm upside down um and make it more bottom-up because i

Think there’s all kinds of brilliant people that join us who have skills and knowledge that we haven’t really tapped into because um you know we haven’t sort of dug into what did they write their masters dissertation on the when we did the work for the city resilience framework

We did the most enormous literature review of academic literature to to really sort of pull on and make sure that we were pulling that through into practical tools that cities could could use so i think there is work that we can do as practitioners to make sure that we’re continuously looking into

Academia and making sure that we’re actually really you know drawing on stuff that’s generated in academia barbara lane who runs our university is really pushing hard to make sure that more and more of the enormous amount of money that we invest in research about three million a year we invest in

Research across the firm we should be doing that collaboratively with academic institutions who can be bring the rigor of the approaches and their thinking which is often very cutting edge but actually ground it with our experience and you can imagine that you know an academic institution partnering with arab and partnering with

The resident cities network you could get some really really exciting you know research and that’s the kind of sort of innovative space that we really want to go with this partnership that you know we start thinking about oh we’re doing some you know we’re applying for some

Research funding uh but we could use that and we could leverage that with research funding for academia and we could actually engage real cities through uh the our cities network um in kind of doing that um i do think that the um you know the biggest challenge when we were doing the

Work on the city resilience framework was the fact that resilience is so multi-disciplinary you know i felt that my role was conducting an orchestra and every single musician was different and the wind section was the equivalent of the infrastructure section and the brass section was the social section and

The economists were you know in a different section of the orchestra and the hardest thing was brokering those conversations between them you know and there were there were times i would sit and listen and listen and listen and people were talking really different um languages um and you know this i think

Is your comment earlier about the finance people and cros um and lauren’s current comment about the fact that people working in a city don’t understand the complexity of the investment world and i think all of us have to work really really hard to bring together people with those different perspectives um and to

To to really in and ourselves be able to have you know conversations that can broker those spaces so you know we talk a lot in arabic about inclusion and when we talk about that we tend to be thinking about inclusion in terms of you know gender or cultural background

But think about inclusion in terms of professional background you know if we’re going to deliver the best solutions we actually need to be pulling in people who have very very different professional backgrounds and skill sets uh to us and actually having been at arab a long time that’s the huge fun here

Um you know is that you can sort of say okay well hey let’s just sit around a table and talk about this problem but let’s have someone who’s a social scientist someone from the environmental team you know someone from the transport planning team you’ll get to a different answer

And really you know i think that’s what you know resilience is about and you know when you study resilience uh one of the most important bits of it is actually the ability to learn and you know one of the things that really makes systems resilient whether they’re artificial systems or city

Systems is actually that ability to learn to to pause to reflect

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Time: 1657192889
Date: 2022-07-07 15:51:29
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