Title: جلسه ۱۴ – حمل و نقل عمومی به عنوان رکن اصلی توسعه فراگیر و کربن زدایی | #TTDC23

از ۱۴ تا ۱۵ مارس ۲۰۲۳، سیاستگذاران سطح بالا، متفکران پیشرفته و تغییر دهندگان جامعه راه حل هایی را برای سرعت بخشیدن به تحرک سبز و فراگیر برای همه بررسی کردند. سخنرانان در واشنگتن دی سی، و به طور مجازی به طیف وسیعی از موضوعات حیاتی، از جمله کربن زدایی تحرک، لجستیک انعطاف پذیر، تامین مالی آب و هوا، تسریع نوآوری، و موارد دیگر پرداختند. Transforming Transportation توسط گروه بانک جهانی و مرکز WRI Ross برای شهرهای پایدار میزبانی می شود. بیشتر بدانید در https://www.transformingtransportation.org/

قسمتي از متن فيلم: I think we’re just about ready to start here 243 we’ve bought all our speakers here and we’ve got a nice Full House so uh in the interest of trying to get you finished on time I’m actually going to start one minute earlier welcome everybody this is session 14

Public transport is a main pillar of inclusive development and decarbonization uh just such a pleasure to be here my name is showmik mandir I am someone now the world Banks practice manager for transport in South Asia um and uh you can see that I’m particularly excited because we have

Colleagues here from uh both from Dhaka as well as from Punjab and Sindh in Pakistan so uh we have uh you know before this I used to be a practice manager for the bank in Latin America so I’m very excited we also have a speaker

From Brazil so uh look how we were going to do this we have a one hour session we have six or seven panelists so what I’d like to do is I’m going to ask everybody a one question give you know an opportunity for you to hear this and

Then the time we have after that I’d like to turn over for questions so please keep your questions ready uh you know I’ll introduce the speakers as they come in and I’d like to actually start with uh the chairman of the Dhaka mass transit company in Bangladesh

German uh Sadiq who will talk to us you know one of the most exciting things that is happening uh in South Asia is how Dhaka is transforming you know dhaka’s traffic and traffic congestion is has often be kind of legendary and siddiqi is starting to change it the

First line uh the first metro line of Dhaka opened at the end of last year and additional lines are under construction and planning so he will start you know he has got a little bit of a presentation for seven or eight minutes so I thought this being so exciting it

Will be great to actually get the benefit of him talking about how to deliver public transport and Complex public transport of metro line in one of the most difficult cities to do this kind of construction in Dhaka not just because of the density not just because

Of the traffic but also because of the geology that makes Dhaka particularly difficult place to do this kind of construction so chairman you have the floor for perhaps seven minutes or so thank you good afternoon my name is managing director of the Dhaka Mass Rapid Transit Company Limited and

We had everything vision and to achieve this Vision we have been working to have MRT system in the Dhaka City vision is moving people and saving time in environment actually what does it mean is it means that we will improve the environment as well as we would want to reduce the

Traffic congestion at the Dhaka City and to achieve that mission we have a long Mission I will not expect to that one so this is the tax of the dmpcl I think this is familiar to everybody so I will not go in details to this task next

This is very important as the moderator has already said Dhaka is a very complex City so if you look back in the 17th century we will find that data was an urban city and from the 17th century we are here in 2023 so and this city uh never we don’t

Get the opportunities to be a development City up to 2009 and if you look at the population of the Dhaka City it is really a very densely populated city of the world and the number of the motor vehicles in increasing day by day now it is one point more than 1.9 million billion

Registers motivators and the Dhaka City fired the area is only say 306 square kilometer and if we look at the road density it is around six percent and if you understand if the road density is the uh six around six percent uh power square kilometer I’m in the uh six

Kilometer per square kilometer so this Mobility is really big difficult and very slow and public transport is a heavily reliable mixed of it mainly the buses the rituals and other small Vehicles so what is the consequence of this situation of that the consequences that the traffic congestion heavy traffic congestions and and and

I mean the huge amount of Urban emission because of the fossil fuel barring so there is this study that was done by the World Bank they found that in early about 3.8 billion US dollars right economic loss then versus the we have to come out of this situation keeping this situation in

Our mind to uh double entropologies has taken decision to introduce MRT with the artist is electric buses and gas operated three wheelers and many others say environment friendly vehicles so to achieve this target government had adopted I mean the dmcc ladder time protection plan 2013 and under this time ground action plan we

Have a plan to inter plan to start with six MRT lines in the Dhaka City and that will actually cover the main ingredients of the Dhaka City and people from one part of the Dhaka City could easily move to the other corner of Dhaka City using the MRT Network

So the very interesting thing I said this time of action plan is adopted in the Dance of the government and it is included in the Strategic transport plan as I said before 2019 there is no transport plan for the Dhaka City so now there is the term plan and

On the basis of the transverse plans we have been working to introduce a BRC emergency and other things in the Dhaka cities East so if in the Strategic transport plan so they have identified the three three lingo and six amateurs and two variety so if when in 2013 all these

Connectivities will be established then there will be a transport transfer from the existing situation to the new situation so there is another plan that is the cities the main cities will also be connected with the new Urban core areas so this will also have an impact that the

Density of the population of the main DACA City will reduce people will be pushed to the new code areas okay and because in in the Dhaka City most of the roads are not South and East West roads are very little and so the government decided that that will be

A three regroups and the eight radial growth that will ease the movement of the atrophic in the taka City and its adjoining areas okay all right so and then these are the network of the MRT and brts okay okay go back go forward forward okay so then what is the

Impact when the time-bound action plan and the Strategic action plan will be implemented by 2030 so that will ease the transport of the passenger within a very short time more people could move and reduce the use of the road that I can say and greatly reduce the use of

The fossil fire that you reduce the traffic congestion increase the mobility saving the work hours and in each day if just one line MRT lines six will be introduced in full length than about 83.8 million dollars mental ability will be saved and for the of a vehicle operation cost about 11.8

Billion will be served there will be a positive impact on the GDP and that will add a different dimension and speak to the community system okay so you know the MRT is operated by the electricity so and it has no impact on the burning of the fossil fuel rather it will have uh

Uh positive impact on the burning of the fossil fuel because ultimately it will reduce the road vehicles so and there are challenges the challenges is nothing but to implement the revised strategic transport plan time-bound action plan and introduce the employee inclusive public transport system considering the last mile connectivity and give the

Electric bus services in the Dhaka City implement the visual 2041. so thank you very much [Applause] very much look we have a speaker online and I don’t know if if you’re going to be able I’m not sure how the technology works hello yeah hi you can hear us but we can’t yes

Oh there you are fantastic I’m not sure I’m going to pronounce this right but I’ll give it my best who is the general manager of the sahir hadlari system in Istanbul Turkey and uh you know from what I understand there have been some very interesting experiences in Istanbul especially over the pandemic

Where fairies in particular have been used as part of the broader transport system and I’d love to hear from you take four or five minutes perhaps and talk about what your experience has been with trying to make you know the public transport system a center both for

Development and what you have been able to do to perhaps convince people to abandon private vehicles and use the public transport system as an option so please uh yeah unfortunately uh you know Turkey hit by two major earthquakes which were so strong that even there after shock whereas devastating as the primary ones

Then time stays with approximately 13 million population living in more than a hundred thousand kilometers pervert deeply affected uh of course our first privilege was to help the rescue operation and to support survivals since a highways to earthquake zone were extremely busy we immediately dispatched to rural passengers we said robax

Ferries to the region and these two ropex ferries were inactive before earthquake after the disaster once heard for transportational survivors who were willing to leave the region and it was used for a transportation 600 survivors to four different ports away from the earthquake region later was aborted in skandoran Port and

Third the survivors who wanted to stay in the region the capacity of fairies was a 102 1200 packs but we removed half of the seats to be able to construct new areas such a hospital a kindergarten and living quarter with a rich meets a vital

Needs and will not exist on the ship on the cardiac we also added cabins as a portable shower and toilet and home preparation completed in 24 hours with 250 people this ship has based in the region for 32 days has served to 3 000 people for accommodation 4 000

People for medical issues and 700 children as a nurseries and it continued to serve as you may know I’m serving in Istanbul right now which is quite far from the recent earthquake Zumba not from its own earthquake indeed we all know that there will be a major earthquake in Istanbul

Which was more than 15 million people in 5 000 kilometers Square I could say that the recent the most of the metropolitan cities which have around the shape Istanbul lines in east west Direction and divided into two by boss group normally there is a very heavy traffic

In Istanbul and almost all of these highways will be estimated to be blocked in case of major earthquake therefore seaways feel very extremely important we are working on Escape Routes which combine airports and seaports it is estimated that the check major district will be our list damage region

And we are working on to establish a harbor complex over there which will be served as evocation based also we are working on the integration of other Transportation modes to the space this will be our surface and actually there will be a similar North Face in a kilios we are also working construction

Analysis of all of our peers and reinforcing them on the other hand some of peers in phosphorus which is naturally suitable for every patient has been designed we also decided to gain ships that are not in our Fleet but that will be needed in the even of earthquake

We are planning to buy Forest Hospital ships and prepare them especially for the earthquake we are working on the ports in which these Hospital ships are going to be located and we are also planning to buy a cruise ship and water tankers which is really neat another a big problem in earthquake is

To manage the available human resource you may have ships or ferries and even very well done preparations but without qualified stuff and none of them will work we are working on transfer plans for qualified staff from States close to Istanbul which are expected to do a unharmed after the earthquake

In case that our peers will be damaged and out of service we are preparing floating Parts which have ferries and ships to block we are also storing first aid and rescue materials inside the Ferries yes there are the first measure that came to my mind and we have prepared as

Well thank you it’s very sobering I think gives us a sense of some of the very uh consequential situations where public transport can play a role thank you very much I’m going to go now perhaps across the world through sin in Pakistan you know uh Karachi metropolitan area please mute if possible

Karachi metropolitan area for 20 million people uh you know difficult though that may be think of the floods that hit sin uh you know last June and you have a sense of the challenges that Mr zubair I met Chana has to deal with as the managing director of the Sid mass transit

Authority so uh you know Karachi has is in the midst like dhata but in the midst of a very transformational and ambitious plan with public transport and there are at least three brt lines that I think the green line now actually is is operational but two other lines that are under

Construction and planning so uh you know I uh why don’t you tell us about the challenge of establishing a such a you know multiple lines and mass transit system in a city like Karachi while you are still also dealing with building resilience to the floods so please thank

You very much so it’s pleasure to be here and then Express My Views and obviously the situation on behalf of the government Karachi is one of the biggest city in the uh is is a cosmic Cosmopolitan City we will call and then this is not only a

City is purely above all the entire we will call it this small Pakistan because it represent all the ethnic and otherwise cultural values of this entire country we have a population of more than 22 23 million and then there is a migration of almost uh one million people on a daily

Basis coming and going out from for the business and other purposes also so this is a huge challenge which otherwise a city like Karachi is facing in terms of the mobility and movement of the people not only within the city but also people coming from outside and going inside

We have overall in the population we’ll also assess at more than 45 percent of the population use the public transport and the public transport which we have today is very obsolete in terms of like the old Bradford and other and he know trucks are G buses which are being used

Which are late 80s and subsequently been maintained operated from the formal and informal Transport Systems and that’s how it has been used I’ve been since late 80s we have been facing these challenges and then in the early 2006 and seven we was there was a requirement of having a complete Transportation plan

For the city and then in 2012 a complete transformation plan of the BRD system as well as the circular Railway was planned which in HTTP major six brt lines which are interconnected and subsequently a circular Railway of more than 45 kilometers which were connecting and supporting taking out the people from

All those brt and reaching out to each and every corner of the city we have as of today since 2012 we started working on the first brt line which was almost 78 kilometer long which we completed in 2019 and since one and a half year this is an operation another small orange

Line that was also started and that is also completed and we also started and the operations of these are the two out of seven brt line which were designed in 2012 are as of today constructed and operated all as well subsequently there are two one with the World Bank farming

We also having another 21 kilometer long VRT line which is under the design phase and we intend to start up the construction phase by the start next financial year Asian living Bank also supported the government and we have another 23 kilometers long red line which is funded by the Asian women Ai

And FDA and that’s also in the middle of middle of the construction phase and we’re hoping that by next uh end of next financial year we’ll be completing the construction and operating that red line as well again that’s not the much what is required because the only requirement

Of the city like Karachi will be done once we have a complete circular way connecting all these we are designed the challenge is what we are facing and that’s true well we’ve been here since last Tuesday we’ve been hearing so much about transforming from the old fossil

Fuel to the hybrid and from hybrid to the electrification we need to one understand the major challenge with the city is like countries like Pakistan and also cities like karachis are facing it’s easier said than done that we want transformation from a place to B because

That’s money at the end of the year which is required and obviously we all understand this huge amount of the money which is required to transform a diesel bus to a hybrid and subsequently to electrical burst requires at least more than 250 000 per bus not only for the

Bus there is a huge infrastructure at the back of it and then subsequently maintenance cost which is at the back of it so and then when we the when it’s government which is doing purely it’s a huge money which is required when you are going to a public private

Partnership then there is again a commitment from the government side which is required over a period depending on your revenues in terms of care non-fair and subsequently also in terms of if anything at all happens we need to secure the investment of the private investor so that’s the area

Where we are facing a lesson area which we intend to highlight in the Forum like this and find out a solution which are more inclusive more sustainable more stable and what I understand at the the middleman in terms of the private investor who is bringing in the any kind

Of investment maybe the electrical buses and hybrid buses should be actually carved out and the week and have a direct connectivity with the manufacturer and then the government with the forums like World Bank where there are these connectivity can be structured to a way that the the cost of

Middlemen intervention in terms of only procurement not the operation procurement of the huge Fleet and I understand we City like Karachi require more than 10 000 buses in a new next 10 to 20 years to actually overcome the requirement of the carb animation the buses which we are today using it is and

I can narrated with the covet where the entire city was uh without any mobility and we could see the clear Skyline that what actually otherwise we now see today that the what impact of the carbon emission from these vehicles are actually making to our own climates in

The city there’s a clear Skyline we saw in the covet and today what we see is a clear implication of what we are doing with the city so to transform and come to that point we need to come up with an inclusive and sustainable solution so that we can not only sustain private

Investment operations as well as the government’s own Kitty to understand take such a big big undertaking for completely shifting from the diesel to the high this good to do is to tell you that this forum that today we have almost completed of those two brts who are not

Using the purely diesel we are using the hybrid buses so that we are looking at at least reduction of major more than 60 percent of the carbon emission subsequently the red line which is supported by the 18able band we are not going for any biofuel whereas we do have

A huge cattle Colony that we are using biomethane for running those buses of more than 300 buses and we also for the red line where else again the yellow line we are again considering the World Bank to bring in the hybrid as well as the electrical buses with a sustainable

Model which we are doing so we are doing it with it at to the level of brts but that’s not enough we have to come up with the all the feeding services and other to actually bring in and give the commuter and the end mile movement to their houses or maybe their workplaces

Only then will be in a position to do another major challenge like City like karachi’s informal sector because it’s a huge informal sector we’ve been working since last half of a century with this so what the government is doing today is number one is providing the alternate options which we are doing then

Subsequently once the commuter has the alternate only then will be in a position to enforce the replacement of the informal sector and that’s a huge challenge which we are looking forward to so thank you very much thank you very much you know I have to say that uh the

Challenge of going from diesel to hybrid electric very formidable but I have to believe that the biggest decarbonization impacts is still going to be in what you are able to do in convincing people who would otherwise perhaps use a private vehicle to switch and you know we have to be able to do

Probably as a community a better job of talking about it so that that is taken as part of you know the narrative that people are looking at but uh why don’t we uh you know I stay in Pakistan because you talked about money and I think when we look at the problems that

Dr Waseem Akram who runs the Punjab Master Transit Authority which includes not just Lahore where they have a brt line and a LRT Line but uh also the possibility of extending uh brts in the next year of cities you know Punjab is where my father is from so for

Me it’s a little bit always more exciting when I hear about Lahore and faislavat so uh but I have to say that the challenge that he has is one of financial sustainability so uh Dr Akram why don’t you talk about the problems and the challenges and how you’re

Dealing with them in Punjab before we then we will then shift gears a little bit yeah thank you very much it’s pleasure to have sit here and brief about the case of brts in Lahore similar to Dhaka and Karachi and the challenges and issues what we have truly reflected in the picture

Where the school children unsafe travel for the school children three-wheeler buses congestion pollution and there are no space for the pedestrians so uh there was a study conducted in 2005 where there was a identification of four lines in Lahore and the work on the first line was started in 2010. Lahore

Has a population of around 30 14 million people and very high rate of registered motor vehicle that is around 7 million so 14 million people 7 million vehicles and out of that 7 million Vehicles eighty percent odds are two wheelers so there are lot of two wheeler strip on the daily basis

Which not only reduces the capacities of the roads but creates the safety issues and the environmental issues for the city the first line was opened in 2012 and it was brt line and the second LRT Line was opened in October 2020. so where the problem started

We went uh smoothly for last eight and ten years but for last two years these Energy prices and it went High inflation in Pakistan always on rise for last one year and so and consequently the interest rates it is now 20 percent so it is it has become difficult for the private

Operators to finance uh their buses and the Rolling Stock and their human resource for the case of brt we have a gross cost contract where we pay for a kilometer basis and we have provided a guarantee to the private operator of 60 000 kilometers per bus per year so this

Is a detailed little bit about the business model so all things uh went on the either side so when the problem started where the uh the revenues and the cost Gap suddenly started to widen so what we are doing for uh to get rid of this financial challenge this is not

Only a challenge it could be a barrier for the expansion of the brts not only in Lahore but in other cities because the treasury and finance they are all always comparing the money they are giving to transport department for running those services and there is another debate the economic benefit we

Have got in terms of the green transport agenda and reducing the congestion in the city that is a another value addition which these brt lines have done so what we have planning to focus first is the ridership increase so there are these are two interesting scenarios for

The brts the feasibility says that we will have around 100 000 people passengers after uh operations of 10 years or so on average it is running about 40 percent more than but the feasibility stays on the other hand when we talk about the rail uh it started during the covered

Era post covered in 2020 and um authorities were concerned that due to the change in the travel pattern of the passengers the ridership is on the Lower Side the feasibility says that it could be 250 000 passengers per day but uh on very first first month it was around 70

To 80 000 passenger but that Trend goes on uh for uh six seven months then we have to think and we’ll sit together and intervene we do have some kind of flat Fair structure for these brts and that was started in from the day first and it

Was rather more of a political decision if I translate today 27 kilometer so a passenger pays only 10 cents I think it’s unable to recover the cost with paying 10 cents for the 27 kilometers so what we have planned we have focused on the ridership how to increase the ridership

Uh main focus is on the Orange Line drill transport where we are learning from the lessons of the Bogota we will look forward for the increase in the speed and looking into the integration of the services we do have a feeder of feeder routes and we are planning to

Induct 300 hybrid diesel buses to feed those LRT lines so that the ridership can be increased on these to achieve the capacity which for which it was planned uh recently we have got approval from the provincial government where we are planning to introduce the personalized and discount cards we will introduce

Monthly weekly cards where we expect that a large segment of the population including the students working women and the daily commuters will Avail that opportunity and we will be able to increase the ridership uh there are another problem we are facing in terms of the three wheelers um the three wheelers are running

Parallel to the these Metro lines and they have some kind of political um uh protection I would say it’s very difficult to realign but we are coming up with some kind of plan where we can uh shift these three wheelers and operate as a first and last mile

Connectivity services so it could also help us to improve the ridership and connectivity for the passenger in the city uh our second strategy is about the revision of the fair what we had done in case of Metro Rail we have shifted from Flat fare to distance based fair and

There is an increase of say 60 percent in four months so we we are planning to apply the same distance based fair to for the Metro Bus system and there is a very good case for vision of the fair and we compare with the competitive mode so there is an uh provision for

Making the double the rate what we are the commuters are paying uh for the these lines now uh another area which we are focusing to achieve the financial sustainability is the non-fair revenue so there are a huge spaces available for these Metro Rail uh we are planning to lease out these

Spaces for commercial purposes um we are also thinking about The Branding of these buses rail systems and the corridors apart from that we are also thinking about some kind of real estate development The Authority will be provided by the government some piece of land and some commercial development

Could be planned and that income from that commercial development will be used for providing this subsidy to these lines another year is also under consideration but we need to make assessment in terms of applying the parking level which has been done in Australian city but it is a political difficult decision to implement

Um world bank is also providing us support recently they have an allocated a grant uh for uh Lahore where they are comparing the brt lines uh Lahore Karachi and Peshawar and how to achieve the financial sustainability for these lines it will be very interesting study and it depends um the outcomes and

Probably we will get some insight apart from what we are planning to do to get these challenges fixed in a better way so ah the sustainability of these brt lines is very much associated with the financial sustainability and the future expansion of these brt lines thank you good [Applause] in getting operational sustainability

Before I would suggest we start looking at the next technology of buses but let that be a personal opinion here let us now switch gears completely and look at a very different kind of problem that Erica should I say Richie hecky hecky I should have known that uh haki is uh

Confronting you know uh the municipality is in the south of Brazil uh one of the richest parts of the country uh dealing with a problem of how to attract riders in a place where Auto ownership is at least probably at European levels if not at U.S levels and they are

Looking at a system of brt lines so why don’t you talk about the challenges in developing a feasible and viable brt and attracting people who would otherwise use cars to that okay thank you very much good afternoon everyone here on behalf of 11 mayors of fast

Region which I would like to greet in the person of our president Mr Pauline hickey delago Miller we are here to present to you all our Innovative Transportation project which is which is a hundred percent electric and implemented by a public Consortium region in the state of Santa Catarina

South of Brazil comprises 11 municipalities namely Cambodia Louisiana and Portobello and together they are about 1 000 people 1 million people so very small cities our project integrated sustainable Mobility project in the First Heritage region has a brt system with a bus fleet 100 electric and an immersive tuner connecting two cities

And navigates and complete streets in baliado Cambodia which also connects two other cities Cambodia and cambodium we think that the most important thing to present to you all today is our institution of Arrangements because it’s the first time in World Bank history that a public Consortium will be

Financed by the World Bank and is the first time that a public Consortium in Brazil will do an external credit operation and why this is so important because instead of sitting and wait for the state or for the union to solve Regional problems look how difficult as

Move people in an urban conversation the municipalities gained empowerment themselves to think and Implement Solutions together as a region and we the municipalities cannot expect that individually small and medium cities will solve population problems like a transportation because one people don’t don’t need to leave their

Homes and Transit only in one in the same city they need to go to work they need to go to study in terrorism and business districts and workers and students live far from their jobs and the universities they work and study in different cities than they live therefore cities must think together to

Really promote inclusive development two together as a public Consortium for example this is small and medium cities can access financial resources that are crucial to implementing public public policies as transportation well when we are Cambodia pizzas navigants and Portobello would think that someday we will be at the World

Bank planning our regional Mobility project but here we are and how we did this we did this by creating a public Consortium to act as a Public Authority for the regional for the region to implement strategic projects that require strong Regional coordination and policies that promote sustainable development in the region

And how we make this work first this must be a buttonwear approach the municipalities must be the owners of this solution the decision makers then it will really work this is sense of belonging and the public Consortium must have technical people that stays Through The Years regardless mandate political mandates

We started promobis in 2026 and we have already passed through four presidents in Brazil five governors in the state of Santa Catarina and three Municipal elections therefore we really believe that public consulture is the key to transform the cities not only in Santa Catarina not only in Brazil but all around the world

Municipalities can think Solutions together as a region especially in urban conservation public Consortium is the key to empowerment the region with the public Authority necessary to implement projects together especially in small cities we need to innovate to transform get together to achieve the Metropolitan goals thank you very much [Applause]

That was fantastic you know we talked about institutional Innovations but we know those are the hardest to actually get done so congratulations for that look Let’s uh we have one final speaker and we’ve heard about a range of systems which people have developed in very very challenging situations and now we will

Talk about technology but but not bus technology and not public transport technology but a key building block technology we’re going to talk about Fair systems uh you know public transport has been uh flirting with Innovations in Fair car technology for a while and for a while we have known that

A lot of the Innovations to kind of break some of the challenges of fair issues and to break a lot of the equity efficiency trade-off sometimes we look like we are forced to make a live with the sophistication in Fair systems Bogota of course has done a lot in that

But Nick who is from Visa is going to talk about how what the frontier is what visa is doing and how this technology can start changing uh the way public transport systems think about their limitations Nick and after that the time we have we will open up for questions thank you

Shamik and thank you to all the panelists it’s been an intriguing discussion I look forward to continuing it’s really great to be here um we’re really thrilled to be sponsors of this event so I suppose really from Visa’s standpoint the part of Transit that we’re trying to transform

Is helping people to get onto the transport so we’re not going to get in the business of making buses and trains or even running them instead what we want to try and do is our very best to help people get on board with public transport as easily and frictionlessly as possible

So my name is Nick Mackey I head up our Global Urban Mobility group at Visa worldwide so we’re a relatively small group that sort of builds Solutions Frameworks and capabilities that help people to get on board with public transport just that bit more easily and I think it’s been mentioned

Already several times that Urban Mobility plays such a key role in making our cities sustainable livable inclusive we’ve heard all of those words just in this panel alone but it’s also the case that public transport is the backbone of our cities right it helps Drive the economies of those cities and the

Economies of of nations in turn and I think it would be fair also to say that it also plays right to the heart of Visa’s Global Mission as a company which is to uplift everyone everywhere by being the best way to pay and be paid so we’ve spent around the last 10 years

Believe it or not standing up all sorts of Transportation projects all over the world like literally there’s almost not a market that we’re not active in and for example we have now over 650 locations worldwide where you can tap with a card a wearable device or a mobile device

Like I’m holding here with my notes to get on board with public transport it’s kind of made access to public transport as easy as buying a coffee or something as mundane as simple and as simple as that and that’s very much you know a great

Example of of how we do what we do but there’s other ways to pay as well that could be in-app as well as a number of other ways so with a simple tap of a device to get on board the same device often that you use for everything else

In your daily life you can get on board or indeed through a click on an app so as it happens just last week in London at a large Transportation event some of you may be aware of it um we actually published a white paper which summarizes in much better detail

And much more eloquently than I ever could hear the sort of impact that our projects to date have had on the transportation space so let me just give you three Quick stats there if I may and I’m going to come to the heart of your questions

So first up our survey which is one of the largest of its kind so please by the way grab a copy of this downstairs at the Visa Booth if you’re happening to pass or search for reimagining ridership on Google or your favorite search engine and you’ll find it right there

So the first thought is that nearly a half of all people that live in cities would use more public transport would make more use of the brilliant systems that are being implemented if it were just easier to pay for it a half of people think of the untapped

Potential there if you’ll forgive the pie in cities where contactless travel or tap to ride I’m just picking up on that example again has been made available we’ve seen at nearly 10 percent uplift in ridership what I’d like to know is what else in terms of Transport innovation has

Delivered that size of uptick so quickly and the third one is that of those agencies surveyed 83 percent of them that don’t currently have tap to pay are planning to implement it which is kind of remarkable that’s nearly four in five of all the agencies so think on those stats and please do

Grab a copy of our paper on the way out or download it as I said but back to your questions show me in order for us to be truly inclusive that must mean that we leave no writer behind this can’t just be a payment option for those fortunate enough to be in

Possession of a debit or a credit card right this has got to be available to everyone everywhere right again back to the core of our mission and so what we’ve made available as well as part of the program that we lead on is a suite of solutions that are

Designed specifically for people who have maybe struggled in the past to get access to a debit or credit card and so these are therefore solutions that are available to everyone they’re based on Visa prepaid technology and Visa private label technology don’t worry about understanding the technicalities of that

But just be familiar with the idea that these are credentials that are available to everyone everywhere okay you either download it straight to your smartphone because many people actually have are more likely to have access to a smartphone Believe It or Not than access to a bank account

And so they can download the credential or get a physical version of it if they would prefer and they can go ahead and load money onto that using traditional methods so again ticket vending machines and these types of things or they can load another form of digital currency onto the card

And so these Solutions we feel are not just helping kind of people get on board with public transport we’re helping people get on in life we’re helping people become more financially included and helping sort of bring bring the world along in in that respect so we’ve got projects and we chatted about this

Just earlier show me around the world um that we can pick examples on that are specific to the pain Advance project that I mentioned using these prepaid and private label credentials we have projects in as broad-ranging countries as Guatemala to India and then of course Ukraine we also have the DRC in Africa

So these are really interesting places where we’re using if you will the opportunity in urban Mobility as a catalyst and as a driver for financial inclusion something that we’re really really excited about and so final point for me before we hand to the discussion is sustainability again I touched on it

Earlier and I think it’s been mentioned way more on this discussion but it’s absolutely fundamental you know the the role that Visa is playing and helping get people on board with public transport makes that a more compelling way to get from A to B hopefully in turn

It’ll have a knock on impact and it’ll compel people to maybe stop using private Vehicles as much and get them on board with public transport so thank you very much again and look forward to the discussion fantastic Nick that was inspiring look uh we have about 10

Minutes I thought we’d have more but this is the way it goes we have about 10 minutes uh for uh questions and then Christina who is from wri will give us a kind of a summary and closing statement so uh why don’t we entertain uh any uh questions that

Uh people have uh yeah I see one two Uh three ah four so let’s start with those four please uh yeah hi I’m juman Kiba from the international transport workers Federation so a quick comment and a question um so the comment is on your point on reimag on imagining what the situation is the reality is that the international

The uh the ipcc last year did analysis which found that just increasing and improving public transport itself would be a key way of decarbonizing and that’s regardless of fuel source so the key is actually expanding public transport that’s fact that’s not an imagining thing that’s just reality the question

For us is how to be imagining The Narrative not the fact exactly exactly that so the question for us is how do you make that as inclusive as possible and one thing we’ve been doing around brt systems is starting to do um impact assessments talking to people who are impacted so informal workers

Existing workers future workers often that process isn’t done so my question is to the panelist how are you making sure that the workers who are keeping these systems going are part of the process from the beginning thank you please yes you sorry yeah so my my question is really for Nick

Mackey about these uh cards how are they how are they different than the card I get at my local Transit Agency where I I can either have it online where I can fill it online or I can go you know to a machine and get it up and and and then

Also the question is is there is there a charge on on top of but by using a Visa card so I’m just going to get all four questions sorry we just have we are now at this uh please I’m a transport specialist at Newark Bank I’m actually the chat moderator so

This question is not for me it’s from the chat um so the question is to Erica um from Ellen from Brazil she says the difficulties of institutional arrangement for planning financing and implementing efficient mass transportation possible challenge to every city in the world right uh so

Itachi as a Consortium serves as a great example how it could work and and it’s the first consultio in Brazil to assess criteria operations so considering this uh what are the barriers you anticipate that other cities in Brazil or other countries would face to replicate this model thank you

I have a question to Lahore a Pakistan colleague I think the issue of financial sustainability is really a major issue for most of our cities especially because we end up with a situation where the demand which is anticipated during appraisal or project design does not get realized

So I see most of the strategies which you have in place are bits of medium to long term so I have two small questions one is who is now putting the bill and you know what is the really sort of ballpark numbers for example per month

And if you were to design the project you know differently what would you really need to to address as part of the project design thank you okay so I’ve been given the five minute warning and we have to have the answers as well as the closing

Remarks so I would ask uh you know the the three uh who have been uh speakers who have been asked and then one other speaker to come in and answer these questions really you have to take less than a minute each so we give Christina some time uh Nick you want to start

Happy to yeah so it’s a really quick one maybe 20 seconds so they essentially work exactly the same way so they would be reloaded in the same way the kind of the commercial framework for the yeah and the user is exactly the same so that’s that’s the first thing the second thing

I would say is that by using Open Standards based technology EMV is happens to be the technology that’s used for these cards it is more widely available it tends to be the direction that infrastructure is moving and so there’s um in terms of like the the capabilities by of using those can be

Extended Beyond just public transport so for instance a Visa prepaid card could maybe initially be issued just for use within a public transport agency but if that customer then chooses to log in enroll and activate the account for use everywhere then they can do that as well

And so this is the point about financial inclusion fantastic Erica less than a minute in this this state of in the Santa Catarina the municipalities have culture of work together our region has been organized about 50 years so I think in my opinion the first and most difficult is to implement the

Future to work together you know because in Brazil the bylaws are ready to be used you know we have the public Consortium law we have the regular men the all the regularments implemented but to implement the culture of working together this is the most difficult thing that I

Can see now so we need to transform our future and the municipalities must work together they need to see the benefits that are in front of them if they work together thank you less than a minute what we have learned from our experiences uh that the development the

Land use planning should be part of the design of the Metro System from the day one uh there are potential opportunities for the revenue stream and the financial sustainability uh for that particular area and the integration providing the connectivity and the last and first mile connectivity so these are

The few areas which need to be focused in Project design and one of the reason for this financial challenge is in terms of that we have done the corridors not the integrated system and the networks so where we make some mistake regarding the cost we are paying 36 million million US

Dollar annual for these two systems in terms of subsidy and if we compare with the revenue and the cost so in case of Metro Bus we are getting 30 percent of the cost operational cost that is not the capex operational cost from the fare

Box and for the case of LRT it is around 12 percent of the total operational cost thank you you know we are just not going to have I’m going to invite you to come up front and have a discussion on your question uh because we are out of time

But I’m going to ask Christina to give us her closing remarks and then we finish okay thank you very much so I think it’s being a really good panel here just to give some words I think we’re here a lot of really good examples for different

Places in the world how we need to innovate and combine the solutions to really be able to achieve our overall goals for sustainable Mobility having public transport as the main pillar for our networks in cities so innovating on the governance schemes is an example in Brazil but also having more

Infrastructure to to prioritize public transport systems but also how we can connect with no motorized transport as part of this network if you need to bring people from cars and be more sustainable in our cities to reach our other goals and also how we need how we

Are going to include in this uh really near future years the there’s carbonizing The Fleets so I think it’s not one thing or other things we need to do everything together right now we are on a rush to implement really Sustainable Solutions in never series that are just carbonated so we need to

Keep having these really good examples and how we can combine the solutions to really have our cities being planted and for people and not having more spaces and more infrastructures for cars and really bringing people to the center of our planning and we can see we are doing

A really good job for in a lot of different geographies and we need to have Spotlight in this a little bit more and be inspired to replicate this in other places so I think we are a little bit over time already just want to say thank you to everyone thank you all for

Attending and thank you for this feature inspiring session and we kept it more or less on time thank you

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Time: 1679331598
Date: 2023-03-20 20:29:58
Duration: 01:04:11

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