Title:برنامه احیای خلیج چساپیک

۲۵-۰۵-۲۰۱۱ ارائه دهندگان: داگلاس پورتر، ریچارد هال و جیمز ادوارد این وب‌کست فقط برای مشاهده در دسترس است، برای اعتبارات AICP CM قابل استفاده نیست. سخنرانان این وبینار از دفتر EPA-Chesapeake Bay ایالات متحده، وزارت برنامه ریزی ایالت مریلند و شورای دولت های متروپولیتن واشنگتن خواهند بود. تلاش‌های پاکسازی از اوایل دهه ۱۹۸۰ از طریق مشارکت بین ایالت‌های دلاور، مریلند، نیویورک، پنسیلوانیا، ویرجینیا و ویرجینیای غربی، ناحیه کلمبیا و سازمان حفاظت محیط زیست ایالات متحده آغاز شده است. در دو سال گذشته، برای برآورده کردن الزامات قانونی، EPA نقش قوی‌تری در هدایت تلاش‌های پاکسازی با تاکید یکسان اما کامل بر منابع غیر نقطه‌ای، منابع نقطه‌ای و کیفیت هوا بر عهده گرفته است. استراتژی های ایالتی به EPA ارائه شده است و ایالت ها با سازمان های دولتی محلی از جمله آژانس های برنامه ریزی منطقه ای در توسعه طرح های آبخیز محلی برای برآوردن الزامات EPA کار می کنند. بخش برنامه ریزی منطقه ای و بین دولتی میزبان این نشست خواهد بود. یک وبینار بیشتر در مورد این برنامه بازسازی خلیج چساپیک با سخنرانانی از پنسیلوانیا، ویرجینیا، و EPA در اواخر جولای برگزار خواهد شد.

قسمتي از متن فيلم: Well hello my name is Cody price and I just want to welcome everyone it is now shortly after one o’clock so we’ll begin our presentation shortly today on May twenty-fifth we’ll have our presentation on the revitalize Chesapeake Bay restoration program given by Jim Edward Richard hall Andrew and Andrew Zelos for

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Answer those at the end of the presentation during the question-and-answer session here’s a list of our participating chapters divisions and universities I just want to send a personal thank you out to the regional and intergovernmental Planning Division for sponsoring today’s webinar our next webinar will be on jun 3rd on

Which is livable community sustainable regions and then we’ll have another one on June tenth and then throughout jun 17 you’ll be able to see find a complete listing for 2011 webcast and also register for these at wwu ta PA org slash webcast to log your seam credit for attending today’s session you will

Need to go to ww planning org slash CM select activities by date and then underneath today’s date Wednesday May twenty-fifth you should be able to see the revitalized Chesapeake Bay restoration program this is still in the process of being improved so be sure to check back in a couple weeks to claim

These credits and then we are recording today’s session so you’ll be able to find a video recording and also I PDF of the slides at ww Utah APA org slash webcast archive and I would now like to hand it over to Doug Porter who will be introducing our speakers for today thank

You very much welcome to the Chesapeake Bay restoration program excited about talking about this because it’s a process in motion hopefully sooner rather than later Benjamin Franklin once observed that necessity is the mother of invention and of course it’s he practiced in invention was largely a trial in order process often

Messy and constantly requiring reinvention I’m sure he’d be fascinated with the challenges faced by the Chesapeake Bay Program for Quebec the formation and reformulation of the chesapeake bay regional partnership over the last 28 years or so has experienced the incredible complexities of pinning down what cleaning up the bay really

Requires and of course formulating a realistic process for getting there from here to meet that challenge the Chesapeake Bay program is brought together a host of public and Kwazii public entities affected by the conditions in the bay the there are six states involved Delaware Maryland New York Pennsylvania Virginia and West

Virginia the District of Columbia the Chesapeake Bay Commission itself a tri state legislative body the US but environmental protection agency representing the federal government and various participating advisory groups representing citizens local governments and the scientific community now of course the concerns and hopes of these participants are subject to the tugs and

Poles of many interests but in the past two years the program has made substantial headway in establishing time specific goals and deadlines to intensify the bays restoration we’re fortunate in today’s webinar to have three speakers who represent some of the major players in the Chesapeake Bay Program they’ll give you a capsule view

Of their aims and successes as well as some of the unknowing issues of course and I’m sure that they’ll generate some pennant the equestrian piece and we’d like to start with Jim Edwards who was acting director of the US EPA Chesapeake Bay Program okay thank you very much cruise ship captain here today

As was mentioned it’s been a very challenging two years capping off a program in fact has been around for well over 25 years and I’m going to talk to you about today is trying give hope some background on the bay watershed a little bit on the history of the programs since

I know some of you or come outside this region and then focused primarily on the drivers from the last couple of years executive order issued by president obama on Bay restoration strategy related for that was issued last year and then the bay tuition diet or total maximum daily literalism snow officially

That was issued in late December at 110 and one of the reasons i think is particularly timely today to talk to members of American Planning Association is because we’re now in the process of moving the watershed implementation implementation plans or whips associated with the TMDL down through local level counties local governments planning

Districts etc as we move to implement the team yell on the ground over the next 15 years later on the presentation going back to the bay and the watershed itself it’s the day’s largest estuary north america with thousands of fish wildlife plants there’s been various estimates as to the

Economic benefit of the bay some as high as a trillion dollars talk about recreational values victories real estate etc there over 77,000 farms throughout the watershed home to over 17 million people and encompasses all of Virginia Maryland the District of Columbia and large portions of Pennsylvania as well as working to New

York goes all the way up to Cooperstown New York over into West Virginia and Delaware as well and then over 1,800 local governments represented throughout the watershed again they’re planning aspect to this that 11 fine point on it too on why what happens on lands means so much for the

Bay the title day and it’s tributaries is that the average depth of the bay is about 20 feet so very shallow most shallow estuaries in the world in terms of land to water ratio the ecosystem itself is quite degraded the past 20 years we’ve seen declining fish and wildlife populations obviously for water

Quality and loss of habitat wetlands there are excessive nutrients and sediment which of the purpose of the TMDL inclusion diet we’ve seen approximately at thirty percent increase in impervious surface over the last twenty years as well as a loss of much of our natural areas and considerable

Over hardest image issues when we look at the sources of pollution in terms of how how we use our land we think primarily in terms of key sectors agriculture air deposition goes in books of the day and under land and ultimately back back into the kind of working today

Urban and suburban runoff and wastewater and also accept it to make up some of this as well and you’ll hear from Richard later deceptive issue has some implications with impaired no and we the day TM d alles I’ll talk about later for this is nearly on nitrogen phosphorus and sediment I’m the

Nitrogen side about roughly a third for AG air depositions and urban suburban music include septics phosphorus a little higher about half of that is from agriculture and over sixty percent and seven but the main method here is that all sectors and all of us as individuals

۷۰ million good in watershed need to be there park today carries result of all this pollution if you many of you are well aware as low dissolved oxygen levels in the bay and how to rivers heads on something you appear well looking to the history of the partnership again around since nineteen

Eighty-three early research days and really amazing 586 our current budget and well in 2010 it was 50 million dollars an issue that’s EPA this year that went up slightly to 50 4.5 million but given the situation federal government and certain local love is well going up at all is accomplishment this was mentioned

Earlier numerous partnerships is again is very much a partnership effort the original partners to the bay program and this is embodied in section 117 between Water Act Maryland Virginia Pennsylvania District Chesapeake Bay Commission and the federal government represented by EPA later we added the headwater state’s water quality area early 2000s there’s

Been a series of Bay partnership agreements starting an 83 original Chesapeake Bay agreement for sailors in 87 various directives agenda to those dreams of the years and then in two thousand of the landmark Chesapeake Bay agreement it had many of its goals and deadlines had a 22 end date so many of

Them not all of them but many of them that largely cast and they’ve either been to keep or in the case of water quality not been achieved one that’s still out there that you’ll hear more about from rich is one on sound land use some of its goals were achieved like

Land conservation as preserving twenty percent of the land in the watershed by 2010 but others like reduction of harmful sprawl throughout watershed by thirty percent that was not achieved cells 2012 date but unlikely to be g’bye hey Jam real quick yeah would you be able to speak up and enter the mic we’ve

Having some complaints about the audio issue so if you just make sure that you’re speaking directly into the money because I would be great okay thanks this next chart simply shows the organizational structure of the Chesapeake Bay Program rather complex with an executive council chaired by currently invite you gave me a turkey

See Jackson that executive council are the governors of the base States mayor of the District of Columbia after the chair of the Chesapeake Bay Commission here the chair of PC rotates generally on an annual basis and the nursery principal staff committee state secretary level under that make a series

On the left hand side of the advisory committee citizens local government and scientific and technical advisory committee that advise the partnership and what we were truly Braun is biting skull and communication teams if you see the bottom of the chart in blue there’s six of those fisheries habitat water quality healthy watershed stewardship

And leadership and those were a lot of that heavy lifting work gets done you’re chaired by either state federal or NGO partners what I’d like to focus on mainly now is a call the Bay Program drivers of the last few years first is a settlement agreement be able see Bob

Chesapeake Bay Foundation in 2008 and settled with them on a series of primarily water quality related issues related to failing to meet be divulged the previous agreement so that was settled on May tenth of 2010 and was executive order i mentioned earlier that was issued by president obama was actually the first environmental

Invective order he issued administration that was made 12 2009 one year later we required to have a cross-agency strategy issued we did that and that takes us out to 2025 the other big one is the Chesapeake Bay TMDL is a bit of a typo there in december 29 1 to

۱۰ a date i will long remember but we issued this total maximum daily load guide and working closely with apps for nitrogen phosphorus and sediment that have to achieve again over the next 15 years the executive order that i mentioned is actually called protection restoration which chesapeake bay it establishes a federal leadership

Committee for the Chesapeake Bay that has at the departmental level representatives of the secretary level is chaired by the EPA Administrator and then also has Secretary of Homeland Security Department of Agriculture Commerce transportation interior and defense issued executive order strategy is required when you’re after executive order was issued an official issued the

First annual action plan in September of last year which committed federal government to over almost half a billion dollars in federal funding to implement effective order in the first hole era of strategy implementation it’s this year fiscal year 2011 first progress report went out in 2012 I won’t get into a lot

Of details on the strategy but this next slide just shows you the basic structure of the document there are four primary goals water quality habitat for fish and wildlife and land and public access and then for what we call supporting strategies stewardship environmental markets climate change and science

And the goals and outcomes in the strategy is there’s 12 outcomes associated four goals they all have deadline dates 2025 sort of had the driver for the TMDL which is the 2025 date and the other goal areas sort of followed that and we have key outcomes associated with our schedules completed

In one 2025 for those other areas but we also have federal agencies committing to two-year milestones for each of those outcomes so that we’ve got a means of measuring progress and shorter by it’s more incrementally so we can hold ourselves accountable on shorter timeframe something we hadn’t gone very

Well at in the past so now switching gears to the Chesapeake Bay TMDL as was mentioned EPA work extensively with the six base dates in Colombia and issued this TMDL in December but was based largely on watershed implementation plans that the state’s developed in the fall first in September they had draft

Plans we did a graph TMDL and then final plans upon which we based our final TMDL there are some federal backstop actions in the final TMDL cases over Delta States didn’t demonstrate enough state actions and strategies and commitments to meet the TMDL allocations but there really are only a handful of those in

The final team yeah and it was really shaped by extensive public input over two years of public meetings and outreach over 50 public unions who receive 14,000 public comments on the TMDL and it’s got the same sort of rigorous accountability measures these two year milestones its chunks that the

Person will be committed to january of this year that the state’s come out and say here’s we’re going to get done over the next two years yes a 15-year effort but we’re committed to doing x y&z and stay on the trajectory to meet that make the progress they need to meet and

Accomplishing actual reductions in nitrogen phosphorus and sediments at a rate that will be the Cape’s have been put in place in the team yeah we talked for this meeting given that planning a throw that Erica I’m going to talk a little bit about offsets in trading TMDL

That is addressed and provided for in the final TMDL and it just makes it clear that a new or increased discharges of nitrogen phosphorus is seven and Technology authorized through an offset of the new or increased pollutant loads and each of the state’s addresses trading and offsets in their watershed

Implementation plans we’ve got a section on it in the final team yell that the state of the trading programs among the jurisdiction very fairly wild and well established just putting them in place we’re going to review right now of the state trading programs and that will be

Completed by the end of County or 11 welcome mention these but in the TMDL there’s a series or what we call common elements that said sort of EPA’s expectations of what should be contained in a trading program there’s ten of those not all it was different credit calculation verification certification

Accountable trading banking listed public members who tell you from to grapple with we’d like to move from individual state trading programs we’ve been having watershed right trading in place this next slide simply shows where we’re at in the in the process soaring back in October above nine and we’re about here

Moving into i mentioned watershed implementation plans estates developed last fall we call those phase one whips they’re now in the process of developing phase two whips that have that our focus more on local planning targets for smaller watersheds or counties and then we’ll move into the to your milestone

Efforts following that just real quickly i’m not going to lay out any numbers where people want to go back and look at these charts here’s the nitrogen loads by source sector showing you know we have made some progress back in 85 for nitrogen and 342 million pounds we’re at

About 250 now and get down to 180 6 and then that’s a allocation in the final team yell about a twenty twenty-five percent reduction for Coca nitrogen and phosphorus in terms of where we need to be in a similar numbers or seven min or descending toward subject so again

Looking at this slide as we move from phase 1 to phase 2 basically the phase 1 allocations were along the lines of major basins and they go down to 90 to what we call 30 3d segments these are the impaired segments and we’re actors 92 of those that’s what the allocations

Are in the final TMDL of the basis for the phase 1 whips the phase two whips will be going down too much more local areas not actual allocation for work what we’re calling the local area targets in each state making a choice of how they determine those the snap shows

Counties within watershed and that’s one option but there are others some states are choosing to use conservation districts others choosing to use planning districts so but the idea is basically to move down to that local level shows what would you like to move from so-called segment shed it’s down to

Planning district commissions in Virginia’s public example look sorry the basic difference between phase one and two for EPA we had a much more involved role in phase one who led the outreach efforts we set very specific expectations for the whips and the TMDL we did extensive evaluation of the graph

Strategies and we have the lead in putting together the TMDL based on those watershed implementation plans phase two it’s much more of an oversight role in the states who are providing support to the jurisdictions at the state level they’re working much more closely with the local sending their local area

Targets we’re going to continue to provide grant money to the states hopefully at the same levels as last year we’re still waiting on our final budget but we’re very hopeful and also contracted support for whip development and implementation and if we move into Phase two one of the first things of

State said is they needed more time so we move to debt deadline dates for Phase two web back in June of this year to December the draft into March of next year for the final it’s possible we may need to modify the TMJ allocation based on the revised phase two which we will

You will see when that time comes so again we’re getting more down to the local level at phase two whips and in terms of why we’re doing this and it’s not only just to get to the local level but we had agreed with apartment partners need to model changes based on

Nutrient management in manure application new chain application and also on low density land use those those model changes will be done by the end of june the draft and final which will be based on those will be looking at the revised whips to ensure that there is no backsliding on previous commitments and

In cases where we did have some of these federal backstop about options will be an opportunity for seeds to have those who move demonstrate for the reasonable assurance interwebs we’ve issued a couple of guides and the third one is coming out for phase 2 at the end of March for the

States in the district and then another one for federal agencies at the end of April and then we’ll be another guy coming out on tutor milestones at the end of this month just more we’ve been confused in the cube to boots on the ground I’m not going to get into these

Last couple of slides in the interest of time to just remind folks with this slide that we’re talking about a TMDL that has a 15-year time timeline that’s got two major stages between now and 2017 what we’re looking at sixty percent of the management controls in place to

Achieve reductions and then get the remainder by 2025 a hundred percent of actions on the ground in place by 2025 we also realize that will be some time lag after that when you’ll actually have an entirely cleaned a meeting water quality standards and removed from the

Compared waters list but we want to have all our actions in places end of 25 it’s very last slide I’m just going to mention you’ve got a new tracking system called bait as bait tracking and counting system on our Chesapeake stat website you can go on and look at your

Local watershed see what the allocation targets are where you are currently wearing you to be for each source or sector needs pollutant now we close it with that thank you howdy the it’s pretty clear that there are a lot of jurisdictions involved in this whole process at one of the most

Important levels of jurisdiction other states and we have with us today are Richard hall who’s Secretary of the Maryland Department of Planning no small deal in itself he’s got 150 members and staff and maybe that helps with a program and the department heads up the state’s smart growth program which is

Fairly famous around the country as well as other responsibilities at any rate here to talk about the state’s role of this is Richard home thank you Doug and good afternoon everyone my name is Richard Paul with the Maryland Department planning and it’s very briefly I don’t want to make this like a

Grammy Award at any means but I do want to thank Doug Porter for going to moderate and I’ll take Ohio State for helping set this up the Regional Planning Division of APA lisa nagar really was spearheading a lot of this they involved in my office for doing a

Lot of legwork for this and also jim edward for laying the groundwork for the Bay Program kind of giving you a nut shell of a very very big elaborate program and so what I’m going to do here is to get into Maryland’s Smart Growth efforts as they relate to Chesapeake Bay

Program more specifically moving forward with the TMDL s and the whips and in the bay program and how that relates to our merging current emerging growth issues my first to sort of give you a little bit of a background on the Chesapeake weights to Maryland as you heard jim

Edwards say six dates are in the bay watershed in the case of Maryland’s the Chesapeake Bay for those who are not familiar with the state of Maryland really dominates the shape of the state dominates much of the culture of mine so the state what side of the bay you

Live on in Maryland ninety-five percent of Maryland drains to the Chesapeake Bay in other words pretty much the whole state except for its dream western part of state and its dream eastern part of the state the Chesapeake Bay has been used for directly and indirectly for almost all of the state’s Smart Growth

Land-use planning related efforts as a impetus it’s been used as the cause often for we move or with Smart Growth land-use planning in the state so it’s very important for a whole host of issues I’m not going to touch I’m not going to touch it on today about the

History of maryland and the waste work treatment plants the point sources in the bay program I’m not going to touch on snow under management very much that touch on agricultural BNP’s management for the bay each of those have their important elaborate stories in maryland n baie program-wide we’re trying to

Focus on where we are now with smart growth in maryland our lights to today what I want to show you here is a just a clip a screen capture from the governor Governor O’Malley’s website and every governor and Maryland at least really figured out figured that out how to make

The bay program on his program link it into the various efforts that that particular governor is interested in focusing on some focused on the bay more than others but it’s not that ever been a governor of Maryland is not focused on the bay Governor O’Malley it links it

Into things as the verses wind energy economic development and things more directly related to the bay tourism the fisheries recreation and just sort of the mindset of Marylanders this disc click here is showing you the smart man growing on component of the governor’s webpage and a one part of that I want to

Highlight is based at and that goes to the governor’s tracking progress setting targets this whole approach to governance when he was the mayor of Baltimore City before a king governor he may national news from Africa called City stat Natalie started with crime control tracking potholes and now in

Became governor he it states that and that’s applied to a number of running of state agencies and we have based at four pay program related efforts so we have some growth factors in there but admittedly does not dominate the base that effort yet but we have plans to put

More growth-related indicators in the base that I want to mention that and that’s a sight some you may want to go look at your own your own pace just real quick here some of these slides and go through more quickly than others just to give you a little sense of here of

Population and the Chesapeake Bay and the bay is in the mid-atlantic area and going up to upstate New York headwaters of Cooperstown New York so I guess many would consider that north of the mid-atlantic area but suffice it to say that most of the mid-atlantic area

As most define it are in this Chesapeake Bay watershed and you can see in the slide here in 1985 the population with 13.5 million and debate popular to the bay watershed and the projection to the year 20 25 is roughly 20 million people so not quite but you know we’re looking

At almost a doubling across that time frame going to maryland here shut this slide is showing you the state of maryland and just to orient you for those you’re not familiar this is the washington DC region here if you can see me moving my cursor on your screen right

Here washington DC region this is Baltimore City this is ocean city on atlantic ocean that’s not in the watershed but it’s better hang west of that is so just that’s just boring in you to the state a tiny bit there and oh I guess I should point out this is the

Main stem of the Chesapeake Bay going down here towards the mouth of the bay and the map itself is showing you very collapsed land-use categories pretty intuitive colors for planners red developed land dark green forested land the lighter green may look tan on your screen those are agricultural lands in

۱۹۷۳ with a population 3.9 million and that way to 1.2 million households let’s jump across a little time frame here going to 2010 basically current times C population it’s 5.8 million people and 2.2 million households and you can see obviously that we have more acres of

Develop land now I’m going to jump the two scenarios II Peter in a year 2030 using a growth model and you’re going to see again a Orbis Marco scenario compared to a current business as usual snaring year 2035 population in both these scenarios 6.8 nipples are growing by roughly a million

People and that’s 25 years and roughly 2.7 million households this is the current development trends and this is a smart growth scenario that we’ve run from lots of scenarios this is one of the ones think is a somewhat more realistic doable smart growth scenario now pushing the envelope in a group in a

Tremendous way I won’t get the details now but the details that scenario but you can definitely see going back and forth here I can do that yeah and these are both 2035 projections things the difference in the mountain acres consumed and showing you that and a

Probably easy way to see it I’m at this scale using two big red squares on the map there and they represent the differential and new acres of developed land accommodating the same population again roughly a million new people to Maryland and under a current program scenario we consumed 560,000 new acres

Of land between now and 2030 5-under smart growth scenario would consume roughly 160,000 acres of new develop land the same number of households it just by way of reference trying to kill a few person once done with this slide what the slide is showing you is the

Orange or darker yellow on this map are our smart both areas also known as priority funding areas for 1997 smart both law it was a basically the states both areas at coincide the most parts of local government growth areas Doug Porter by the way did world s about a

Year or so after the law passed and on the able foundations webpage and that might be of interest to read his many things that he pointed out and about the program have come through over a year so that might be something to throw the reading back to the map the green areas

Are what we call protected lands as areas that are parks are easements agriculture easements what have you and then the rest are areas that are emitted things sometimes some of the rural areas are well protected sometimes or not save a little bit of thing in this is tan

Area so you got the green areas protected lands can’t be built the mustard or are dark orange color those are smart growth areas those are mostly Seward and then you have the tan areas which are a little bit everything else I’m not going to spend much time on this

Slide I think Jim Edward covered it pretty well suffice it to say that we were on our way in Maryland’s and developing the TMDL total maximum daily load I and and the corresponding whips watershed implementation plans it’s it’s to us in many ways it’s a extension significant extension and I guess what

To say more serious version of the tributary strategies we’ve had in place for a number of years we are beginning to enter phase two of the widths and hang things look a lot more interesting in the coming year the phase one wit was pulled together about a ton of

Controversy in Maryland really what it is and my view is a pointing together a tighter manifestation of our loads are nutrient pollution loads our goals and benchmarks and targets phase two is when we’re drilling down at the county scale in Maryland develop a team at the county scale so we have local stakeholders

Especially local governments and seeing how these goals manifest themselves at the County scale like I said that’s gonna make things a lot more interesting the other thing I’ll point out is that for the so that I would argue that for the first time and this is part of the

Reason for this whole webinar in my mind for the first time we have we’re working is really integrate smart growth um goals and the two effects of a range of development types into the bay programs goals and measures for a very long time in my view on sprawl the belt

It’s got a free ride and this is not just in chesapeake bay watershed is the way our national water quality laws work for the most part sprawl gets a this continent a ride as far as its impacts to our local streams rivers and at the day and we’re hoping to find a level

Playing field of some degree as in the forward with the bay program in maryland and this next slide is showing you and these are things that most miners know but when you look like Maryland we have some of us advanced wastewater treatment plants in the nation serving our smart

Growth areas and we still have septic systems with 50 year old technology being put in the ground it’s really something we feel is an important loophole to address on several fronts on one of which at least beginning to account for it and I mean most of us again in planners know that sometimes

The right thing can be harder to do and the wrong things easier to do and I think that really is the case with sprawl development in in the bay the bay program has made some attempts in the past to address for all the Dalton I think the most prominent one was in the

۲,۰۰۰ agreement of the bay program the bay programs updated every five or so years and in two thousand agreement there was a sound land-use goal it was established and by the time that gold I established and discussions were had across the bay watershed in even the Maryland about how to measure it I’m

Interesting it kind of waned it and now here we are looking at smart both again and we may revisit that that goal the sound land use evolved in two thousand one of the ways we’re directly linking smart growth into our whip is a kind proposed strategy and that’s the way we’re working to

Implement the direction from EPA on in and the guidance for the whip is accounting for growth some states are certainly addressing Lee addressing it differently than us but we are going right at it really trying to get at this differential our numbers in the state

This is not an MVP this is done with our department environment and our partner natural resources in Maryland’s of either the regulatory especially Department bomb at the regulatory agency in Maryland we estimate our numbers show that your average household on a septic system I wanted to it a lot is pleading

Ten times more per household nitrogen in your average household and our smoke both areas in Maryland and if you book the maps i showed you before that really matters in the long run when you’re looking at trying to meet and maintain the goals that we have that counts with

A provision solution so we’re looking how the best implement that in our phase two whip we trusted the phase one but the phase one whip was with more than 3,000 foot type type effort to the phase two again as one get much more interesting enough pretty much pretty

Much covered this so just a schematic what we’re trying to accomplish we’d argue that the regulatory costs direct or indirect literally or figuratively is a lot more for trying to the right thing trying to build this infill redevelopment projects and costs more to do that opportunity cost straight up

Financial costs what have you and so we think the playing field is imbalanced we want to tip the bow what’s the some degree the other direction and the way we account for growth through offsets and trading you’ll see in a minute seeks to accomplish a better balance on this

On a point to highlight just this disproportional impact on nitrogen pollution again nitrogen is the most damaging to the bay the main nutrient that were concerned about in the bay program overall especially as it relates to growth so what we’re looking at in the next 25 years is the amount of units

Booked on a grove is roughly 500,000 units under five hundred thousand and looking for looking at the pollution nitrogen pollution from new growth we have a situation where roughly a quarter of growth in septic system that’s been our trend and that’s our projection roughly a quarter of the growth of the

Unsub big systems on sprawl development with that quarter of the of the total growth account for three quarters of and not new the new projected nitrogen pollution from development so we’ve got one quarter of the universe causing three quarters of the problem and that’s something we feel it’s important to

Address this is just a schematic demonstrating this is from an EPA report in January a fix illustrating the effects of concentrating growth versus spreading it out showing you a little worse yet scale there and giving a number of different factors and curvy surface what have you again you can look

Back later and find this report online and interested in this subject think this is a good ETA develop report on the elaboration some of these kind of concepts one of the ways we’re looking to implement this whole concept of making growth accounting for growth in a fair

Way its per capita impacts as a high medium and low loading range so we’re going to be looking at future growth and employment and categorizing it low medium high per capita nitrogen loading and addressing requirements offsets what have you / which category any growth comes in seein’s how open a account for

Grove this is a ground 0 gonna manage the impacts from growth in the face to with you have not yet decided exactly what types of development put on these categories that something will actively working on right now generally our concept is we really want to limit how many all sets on infill and

Redevelopment realization have to account for on the point sources way switching the clients they already have growth allocations within them for the most part and have them really meets nor management requirements that’s a bit irrelevant to the clothes they’re putting out there correspondingly for the first time I really want account for

The disproportionate loads coming from sprawl development the larger lot sizes and the septic systems and have back type of development which obviously being the low category prefer i me aur hai scuze me per capita impacts have been paid the true cost if you will as a pollution to generate so we want to

Incorporate this into the phase to whip we don’t make sure it’s it adequately addressed and the and an effort on the talk about briefly in just a second playing Maryland’s which is a state smart growth plan strategy and again make sure that our offsets are properly

Set for the type of growth in tax than any type of development is having and if we don’t we don’t penalize doing the right thing just to give you an idea of on the ground or looking at on average roughly on average it varies by jurisdiction obviously a quarter acre

Lot sir by central sewer is what we’re looking at in many of our booth area some areas are much higher and averages are slightly higher than a quarter acre lot that’s we’re looking at a moose or smart both areas cleric or lots of development and then the average lot

Size out Sauber’s north areas range is around two sometimes a little more than 280 wats on the septic system and like I said before a differential is a ten ten ten fold differential and a nitrogen pollution from a house on typical on subject system versus a house I work a

Lot in a growth area so this is what we’re working on the nails playing maryland’s on the Smart Growth side and in general what does it builds on the decades of Smart Growth programs some directly others in director latest mark Rhodes at state level integrating that

Wasn’t what we have going mark the local level and coming up to the first time ever stayed a smart growth strategy smartbook playbook would never have such a thing about a year ago a little more a year ago planning magazine for checked in if you will the progress of planning

In Maryland and talked about a smart both efforts and this is just a lift if you will um from that from that magazine and and if you probably saw that being do it money magazine readers I’ll finished here let’s plan Maryland again what what I mentioned before in a

Nutshell it really takes our existing programs better integrates them helped identify gaps better targets areas for redevelopment and for land preservation and this document the draft has been out about two weeks we have it out for 120 day comment period it’s on a web page at plan dot Maryland smell the whole

World out gov and I will just finish up with having some open houses all those can be found at the same website location and let me back up one here so you can see it there you go you can find they can even friend it on Facebook

Number one to our webpage but to get directly to his plan that Maryland gov thank you there’s a lot to absorb their state of Maryland is really doing a tremendous job in trying to tackle this problem or the problems i should say of the bay now we turn to andrew fellows

Who’s an expert in water resources it’s worked for the Clean Water Action Fund since the 1990s and served as deputy director of the save our streams program in Maryland but it’s also the mayor of college park and has therefore and some some local government experience for

Sure I’d like him now to to tell us more about just how multiple governments can really get at this problem okay I appreciate it Doug I I speak here both as the chassis Regional Director for Iraq’s but also as the mayor of college park maryland they’re really they go

Together at the environmental to me really is a supporter of local government working to develop solutions towards uh cleaning up the bay there’s so much benefit i’m on the device year the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments just be paying water clean water policy committee and we regularly

Buys the board the council board on regional water quality issues we’ve been working actually for more than 20 years on an interesting Bay restoration issues clearly having a job for cleaning up the bay but we have made a lot of progress these are some of the government’s that

Are in the watershed I mean both in the Potomac watershed mostly but also in that our section of the Metropolitan Washington area there’s 21 local governments that are in the in the council governments the Council of Governments regional water quality management includes an annual work program that addresses technical and

Policy implications provides input to EPA and states and hosts forms for exchanges support is provided by the council government staff working with local government utility staff and local elected officials like myself and managers quantifying the implementation and water quality benefits of management actions taken by the region and also

Evaluating some of the broader environmental objectives that affect water quality for example air pollution reduction stream restoration and forestry initiatives and the focus may be changing and I think the Obama executive order and it should sharpen the efforts of us restoring our water cloud the importance of the Council of

Government region in the bay watershed is is pretty clear first of all we have a lot of the population as you can see here 4.2 million people in two thousand we should be at five and a 5.8 million 2020 that’s a growing percentage of the where it residents of the the watershed

The bay watershed it about twenty-five percent currently and it will be up to thirty three percent 2020 we recognize one of the reasons that we haven’t addressed aggressively challenging that taking on the water the pollution control measures is the fact that we have such a density we also have a

Legacy burden of the development over the years and its really been a failure as a rich hall as the secretary said I’m failure to accurately to appropriately capturing some of the developer costs on the water quality and giving a free ride to some of the development attack

And with the our our Bay program structure is that we’ve already talked about this on that talks about some of the all the states that are in the bay program and our piece is the local government and other stakeholders I’m going to just briefly say this has been

A this is a transition for local government some the clean water act as you all probably know is passed in nineteen seventy-two and set up someone something of a mandatory program but parallel to that was a set of agreements that was a voluntary approach in the region making a three 1987 2000

Agreements among the partners in the Chesapeake Bay agreements but the deadlines were set and the results were not matted I think the failure to reach these committed commitments it’s a variety of factors but the voluntary approach really didn’t work and we’re now moving towards a more manageable I

Think it will always sharpen the focus and get the job done the EPA consent decrees that began in the late 1990s started this um I think TMDL somewhere there’s a the profit is using the term TMDL total maximum daily load really doesn’t say to the public what we need

To do and Detroit a contaminant cap we’re looking for and so part of this is the messaging to our public and what’s the value to improving not only the bay itself which is such a great resource for the region but also for the tributaries that run to our communities

I’m also you know keeping in mind that the local team deals and actually the way the TMDL programmer approaches by segments and so we’re really looking and improving our own water quality to restore the bay some of our requirements locally the stormwater requirements may be even greater than the bay and I total

Maximum daily load requirements and I think that actually will is the focus has got to be on getting the job done locally the wash implementation plans again I think it’s going to be a big part of sharpen the focus some this has already been talked about so I’m going

To move through this fairly quickly that I’m actually going to go to the next slide I’m talking about the pollution bisector the for the government’s that are in the Council of government region it’s mostly not the agriculture the we do have some agriculture and you can see here the the

Percentage of the different kind of challenges most of our focus is on storm water we have been putting increased investment into wastewater treatment and we will continue to do so to make to get to the limit of technology but I think our real challenge for at least a lot of

The jurisdictions in our region’s is with stormwater partly because it’s so decentralized you can’t just take it at one spot and get the job done you really have a kind of comprehensive in and somewhat separated responses the this shows the wastewater treatment plant segment shed I mean the segment sheds

That are feeding it this is a pretty interesting map in terms of looking at where the public operated treated waste goes from into these these colors show the different sheds that they go to different treatment plants we’re also and obviously we’re already working on this partly through state legislation

Like the Chesapeake Bay restoration fund it’s really requiring more money and generating more money through households by funding I en are enhanced nutrient reductions this shows the progress in reducing nitrogen pollution obviously we’re doing this but locally but actually as part of statewide plans and in the district man in Virginia so these

Are our success in some ways that we’re already seeing in the plan to clean up the day we still have a long way to go and part of the issue is the cost factor for the this kind of money that we’re putting into reducing the waste water

Flow is only a part of the cost because you also need to do address stormwater and there’s these costs some tend to be shared by some of the same treatment facilities or utilities again the dollars that we put into the enhanced nutrient removal better wastewater plants like blue Plains and

Blue Plains being one of the biggest in the world or is the biggest treatment plan in the world the amount of money that’s going into the the upgrades there are shared by all the jurisdictions that feed into blue Plains and it’s obviously maybe the biggest bang for buck for

Reducing the pluton loads to the the through the to the bay swim what retro fits though and secretary Hall I was just talking about the the imbalance of some of the stormwater costed it’s easier to protect stormwater in areas that have not already been developed some of the areas that currently have

Outdated stormwater management facilities that we really need development to kick in money to do retro fits that are going to improve it and really the ms4 which is the municipal separated stormwater sewer system permits that are really going to be the only way they were going to be able to

Enforce caps and and and and making a jurisdictions meet the challenge of reducing the pollutant lids and do our stormwater drains which then flow into the waters of the bay this talks about how the costs have been shared the urban costs the that is the stormwater really and the agricultural costs and the

Public operated treated waste which is the wastewater treatment plants this shows the different costs or and this summary in summary out the need to address all the water quality needs is is is part of the reason we need to come up with comprehensive solutions that are

Localized it also speaks to the need to get local governments involved and and the local governments involved in the decision making in the planning because really the way that the local waters are going to be restored that feed into the bay are going to be directed and done by

The political little people who live in communities that are affected by as local waters and so that’s one of the reasons that the council government can play and actually every metropolitan planning organization can play such a great role in getting local involvement in the process so with that I go back to

We had a question sale in here that I think pertains to just what you were talking about so let me just pick it up and hand it to you the question of well we have this very elaborate process of communication among a whole lot of different political levels but it was

Mentioned that there’s a there are local government advisory committees and someone asked who gets appointed to those kinds of things and who makes the decision because that’s something you can talk about ivory keys are appointed by the council government itself so i the i’m actually not on the local

Advisory committee for the chesapeake bay but penny gross i know who’s on our committees serve for a number of years on that and that function and i think that for those of us local elected officials who are working together in metropolitan planning organization committees we get to know each other but

Also pick some of the best to represent us a lot more regional efforts let’s see someone wants to know again and i don’t think you just mentioned this what a TMDL is legal i was it struck me that that’s probably one of the worst combinations of letters that you could

Imagine especially if you have to say it over and over again but it’s a bit critique of the Clean Water Act is to come up with a phrase like total maximum daily load but it really the reason that I think that that’s such an important concept is that for aquatic life if you

Think about contamination coming in you really have to think about on a daily level because you can control the polluted ways for most of the year but in fact one day you dump a solute load or contaminant load into the waterway you’re going to kill all the aquatic

Lights so it’s got to be the daily cap it’s really the important thing and that’s why that acronym X is I think as we talk about team deals for any one of us who are working on this we should really be talking about contaminant caps for you know pollution controls or some

Other phrase that am beyond what we can I’m actually rich did you wanna about the plan Maryland or smart growth process is it directly related to the TMDL it was but though you want to talk about that sure um well situations like this mental hard again to a lot of

Detail about these things but directly laid at this stage to some degree and that’s a mushy kind of response i suppose but playing maryland again is a strategy it’s a policy plan we’ve been enabled to do it we’ve been directed to do it and in our legislation my eighties legislation since nineteen seventy-four

And we’ve never done it and again it’s a policy plan and I view it as a strategy for connecting existing and potentially new ones at the right time smart boy programs we want to link it and its concepts to the TMDL s and the widths in in ways i generally went over my

Presentation to make sure that we are addressing growth impacts on the watersheds and also addressing how the nutrient requirements nutrient management requirements may affect growth and it goes both ways so again the other side of the coin so to speak we want to ensure that you know we don’t

Have a wastewater treatment plant shutdown for example because of the caps on nutrient pollution and have what would be smart but it deflected outside because we haven’t sort of thought ahead of where new growth will go and have a plan for that and always for treatment

Plants and like i said before going to make sure bharti good after this loophole there’s two acre lots on septic systems that haven’t been very well managed in Maryland or any other places for that matter let’s see we’ve had questions about one of these presentations be

Available and yes you’ll be able to find a copy and I don’t know what I’m not about to spell out that that well I suspect it’s the you can find the find it on the internet and Jennifer at the organization here the sponsoring this can certainly help do that where you

Registered well and I will be going over that at the end of the presentation as well okay that’s great that there is a question about hydro fracking for natural gas in the water should i’m not sure how we can address that here is the ready to do that i don’t think so

Fracking is going to be will have impacts on the bay Hinkley has impacts on not drinking waters both for people who are in areas they have well water that are fed by it but also downstream so if there’s fracking going on in the upper Potomac it’s going to go into the

Drinking water intakes in the washing metropolitan region so that’s why it’s a concern for the council I met and of course today thanks let’s see I think the this of someone who asked a question what would be the three most important lessons to be learned from the accomplishments the good accomplishments

I can’t say it on the test peak day and maybe each of you could take a whack at that but the question is you know if this is a learning process that’s been going on now for twenty five twenty six point seven years and what do you think

You know now that is really important to carry on risk to you on time but this rich pick three lessons learned one is Easton Maryland investing in advanced wastewater treatment plants has been extremely important and has demonstrated significant improvements in parts of the bay watershed where those plants have been installed and it

Continues to be a very high priority in the state and it’s essentially meeting our goals I’m we have seen and in some bars had success with the Patuxent which is kind of been the guinea pig for the bay program in Maryland it’s the largest watershed totally within the state and

It had some of the earliest advancement for team of plants donation we’ve seen a lot of improvements in the watershed by virtue of the boys return of plants receiving advanced nutrient removal capabilities however the wash has grown so much some of this great improvements have been never taken my growth cause

That’s one thing to think about the other is on the cost if you will of not addressing sprawl development its impact that is what I focus a lot my comments on more and I think it’s very important not only a Maryland put in a growing area cares about land use cares about

Waterfall and the other is a and this always comes off the canary in our be overemphasized not as well developed and and brought out reach that point out these issues and gets um folks engaged in these issues and the appropriate sectors and bringing them together I

After well am I am yes okay yes yes remember I think one of the things we’ve learned after 25 to 30 years of running the partnership is that voluntary approaches alone can’t do it all there needs to be appropriate mix the voluntary and regulatory measures be we had some

Recent success outside the water quality arena with the crab population and regulations in Maryland encouraging an American major contributor to the grease cat populations so that’s one example and hopefully the TMDL will will prove to be another example working together with voluntary efforts to make the progress me to make second all sectors

Of the con the jewels need to be involved and be there partly you can’t single one source out for all at different places and depending on where you on the watershed you all make second exits varying contributions but whenever we’re talking particularly to it in certain sector whether to add the

Municipal treatment facilities and under tends to be this thought that were somehow being singled out but that’s not the case everyone is either far and then the last thing would be the whole cost-benefit issue there tends to be enormous focus on the cost of the restoration effort and there’s no

Question a very high cost tag on it monetarily but the benefits of having clean bay as a driver for the economy whether it’s tourism fisheries housing and land use and recreation are enormous and we’ll be working over the next year to EPA with its partners to put together a benefit study

Value in benefits and this is andrew fellas just add to that the furred College Park residents I think it’s worth the value of improving the bay but also the Potomac River the Anacostia River and the creeks that flow through our community in focusing on the benefits and that we can’t do quality

Growth and non-jews water restoration at the same time it’s not an either/or I’d say the planning solar portion is this is really one of the lessons learned is that only federal state and local partnerships are going to work we can’t do it just with one of the sectors and

Then finally that I just will agree that it mandatory approach is you got to have some mandatory aspect to it can’t just be voluntary hey Doug can you repeat the question because we can I hear you and in fact I was just getting there here we go what

Somebody has taught as the console governments from the water quality program and then there was a question about the local from Florida they feel that they have less and less support for environmental commitments how do local governments within the watershed really expect to pursue this this whole plan

And I don’t know what how you want to deal with that but that’s a question that is germane to all amusing I’d say with just a question at the council government’s funding a water quality program the all the government’s you belong to council government’s a a to be

A part of council governments but also the staff does a great job of aggressively pursuing grants federal state reason rancid do at that program with actually I forever to rich you come back on the second how to pay for this and an address it is certainly a very

Big issue that no one has a good answer for to be blunt we’re trying to wrestle with it at the state level by looking at enhancing our existing what we call Bay restoration fee others call it the philosophy that’s been in place since I think of five or a fourth session of the

Maryland General Assembly so increasing that it’s a monthly off its mate that’s roughly three dollars three-dose scuze me that Marylanders masers talk of increasing that more more encouragement nudging pressure to create stormwater or utilities across this day there’s a very few number jurisdictions that currently have that but there’s more emphasis silicate local

Governments creating those many local governments as they learn more about the phase two TMDL what what the implications are of that for the jurisdictions are increasingly concerned and it’s going to be a lot of work and that’s why I was alluding to it earlier maybe over simplifying it my

Presentation saying it’s going to get interesting and phase 2 of these whips over the next year local governments recognize I’m sorry Andrew fellows again that this is a it really our our challenge really is to get our communities engaged towards making sure that they’re focused on the value of

Improving the local waters as well as the pay itself and so that really does make a difference if you’re talking about loudoun county or the city of rockville with and actually there’s a question on the slide on nitrogen sources by land use type within the Metropolitan Washington Council

Government region and I actually don’t know the answer about the we answer that question about whether the that’s by land use or land cover I think we can get that answer sent out to the group by one of our staff questions flick in here there’s a let’s

See there was a question that referred to farming that asked about can you discuss how agriculture can reduce their p and n levels to various kinds of solutions to addressing the impediments to improvements I’m not quite sure how to translate that question but certainly the whole farmland impacts on the on the

Bay are a major concern around here you want to tour nothing or brass I on get the gym it was happy to rest that one EPA in the state’s work very closely with US department of agriculture particularly the Natural Resources Conservation Service and we’re fortunate in the bay to have the Chesapeake Bay

Watershed initiative which is a targeted pot of funding over a five-year period that finishes next year but carved out piece of funding over 400 million dollars to fund particular best management practices for nutrient and phosphorus reduction for farmers in the Chesapeake Bay watershed that come forward and we want to take advantage of

This is thumbing could eat specific practices so that’s in addition to other funding that would be available in other programs that offered throughout not just NRCS but NSA another USDA agencies so there’s those government funded efforts through USDA that are happening within the watershed but the farming

Community has also made a point that they voluntarily undertake a lot of practices are not cost sharing about a federal or state agricultural agencies and we are working with them currently to give them credit you will in our models that account for gluten load reductions through the whips over the next 15 years

To actually account for these non cost share practices if they can be verified that they’re actually out there ground so that’s a new part of the process on the non cost share efforts to take into account other activities plumbers are doing not just wants it that you see

Okay we did have a question about the the members of the local government advisory committee who normally sits on them or oh can you suggest google should be Jim Edward I’m ver appointed the members are all elected government officials from throughout the watershed and are nominated by respective states

Or mayor of the District of Columbia not sure maybe establish the question that’s either comprised okay well thank you i I’m also Jim going to pass on another question to you which gets rather technical I think I’ve got question on point source regulation and it seems it

To be questionable whether a wwtp which can 10 meters street as a strict numeric nutrient limit given the highest position I’m having trouble reading this and varying inputs etc how are you dealing with the five-year npdes limits point sources and is there a longer-term strategy that can give more flexibility

That’s a very technical question for me but I’m sure you know exactly how to ask that I know exactly I’m not sure precisely would guess I was trying to think of the rare deposition angle see that I mean as part of the tmd allocations we do give credit or

Assigned air deposition as part of what’s happening in the watershed and then the air deposition of nitrogen that occurs on the bay itself EPA takes that it’s actually 15 17 million pounds and is part of the overall allocation you take the responsibility for achieving that allocation

Read that one of that road reduction I say over the next 15 years through the passage of variety of Clean Air Act laws that they chose own regulation that you’re coming out later the summers why hopefully care which is the transport rule so there’s a way that you ka

There’s the way we handle it in at the end of the allocation in a way where we attempt to take on part of that responsibility on ourselves and also have two milestones in the process associated with that but I’m not sure that that fully addresses the answer and

I would have probably precise answer i’m not sure go to you others if you can be providing this within we have to provide a follow-up answer to my staff all right well dice I haven’t seen a question come by we have some more here oh okay yeah we asked talked a little

Bit about nutrient management plans for farms and somebody asked can’t farm submit a nutrient management plan through the local USDA office and which knows how to design those to lower the pollutants from agricultural runoff I think that’s what will be the case this is not my specific area but I do know

That a Marilyn at the Cooperative Extension Service this associated it with the University of Maryland works with the local soil water conservation districts on the ditch me advantage of plants or a bit requirements of measurement management plans in Maryland for several years our barrel Department of Agriculture tracks those with this

Other partners from to extension and local Soil Conservation districts working with the farmers so that is something that does happen to Marilyn that I kind of think is tracked and that based at effort i mentioned at the beginning of my talk another question which was similar in some ways to what

We were just talking about our nitrogen targets tractor measured over time there and jim maybe this is a question for you if you’re monitoring in the bay or through modeling or just how two out of those types of things become obvious sure and it’s mixer to some degree meaning both monitoring and modeling

Grab that today we’ve got over 300 monitoring stations set up he places both in the title parts of the bay itself and then in the ninth non-title portions throughout the watershed or keith tributaries throughout restrictions well there’s about 160 some on stations in the title Bay and another

۹۰ i believe it is and the non-tidal fortune we’re actually increasing the number of monitoring stations this year nick Beshear to fill some gaps we have related to priority watersheds the TMDL and to increase the number of pure AG monitoring stations and pure urban stations cover the monitoring area would

Be in areas where there’s a lot of mixed land use and we’re trying to get a better sense or better representative sample i should say where we’ve got more where we can measure the effectiveness suppose stormwater bmps and urban areas and ms pores and act PMT practices best

Practices hi agricultural areas and we worked with USDA NRCS to identify what we call high priority watersheds and showcased watersheds we’re on their end working to get a hundred percent of farmers in those areas to put their core best management practices in place and we have increased number of monitoring

Stations including in there EPA and the US Geological Survey to monitor their effectiveness over a five-year period so we use this modern information to calibrate our models model and credit the nitrogen reductions over time but all everything in the model is calibrated with real modern results in

That will be capacity to go basis for how we could progress in restoration thanks a lot we’ve got a question which I think rich hall can respond to I the question is I agree the concentrated growth on sewer is best for development that has served my septic systems though

Wouldn’t that require the use of nitrogen removing subject systems that achieve greater than ninety percent removal adventure zone etc etc hundreds of reduction would be equal to or greater than that that has achieved on the sewer thanks Duggan and Dave Brownlee going put stuff down there Calvert County I appreciate the question

In it Maryland has roughly 220 I’m an excuse me 430,000 septic systems in the ground now an extremely small fraction of those are or anything beyond 50 year old technology I’m putting out 10 times more nutrient for household it’s a pollution per household then that house is on such a lightweight searching the

Plant at Maryland and certainly certain global governments and within Maryland’s critical area advanced septic systems have to be installed now I’m sure there is some rocket science septic system out there it might get ninety percent reduction but the septic systems are apart be installed currently in the few

Areas where they all require to be installed in Maryland roughly two still flew twice as much instead of ten times as much still glued twice as much as a household in a smart growth area so certainly if you’re going to have development of septic systems and we

Always will we really recognize that I agree that it should be on nutrient living system I think getting nine percent removal may be possible and loved it areas north they can state like Maryland it’s critical that we really try to get as much growth is possible in our booth

Areas because there’s many many other goals besides just the nutrient reduction goals for doing that strong communities land preservation and not to mention greenhouse gas emissions from increased vehicle miles traveled and on and on so the ramp up on this one I should say that again we need nutrient

Moving septic systems where we’re going to have grown on septic systems I would agree but I don’t think that’s part of at least a broad regional or statewide solution to nutrient pollution from septic systems okay we’re looking here at the questions and trying to decide what we can deal

With let’s see is one of the basis of the TMDL s of the amount of impervious area within a given watershed how can this be true in new development with new development that requires a sophisticated treatment train prior to releasing runoff from a development certainly in the green sense we must

Monitor the runoff leaving them for forbid edema nitrogen phosphorous etc should we require additional who we have to require or shouldn’t require additional require management possibilities justman I think that with the impervious surface says any amount of impervious surface has a definitely has an effect on the containment look

Because of what’s coming off of the the paved surface or what’s coming off of the pervious surface I think though that the new requirements in terms of treating water that’s coming off of impervious surfaces it can be done in lots of different ways including reducing a pervious surface I’m not

Exactly sure if I if I I know the answer to the question because with every contaminant load there’s different kinds of treatment possibilities it can be done and one of that is the retaining the water on site it’s not simply treating it but actually keeping it on site that instead of going downstream

And obviously that is an effect on sediment on downstream so I guess with impervious surface T is that by far the biggest issue with its stormwater and like looking at that is the the issue of focus and I also think it’s a fairly logical way of generating revenue to

Treats lower costs as it is by looking at pervious surface because it’s a relatively easy thing to track and a relatively easy thing to develop a fee structure that would help put money into reducing the pollution coming off our streets and parking lots also just

Want to note that it meant load is the result of load that is a generator that is generated which does vary by the percentage of impervious service but after but after BMPs are applied so better and better and newer BNP’s and will achieve lower levels of attainment and it really starts with the

Supposition that you don’t want to decide where people to live even a lot of and you would like to see them have the freedom to go anyplace they want to I guess the question is shouldn’t we require additional septic tank controls rather than a determine where people can

Live based on where the sewer dark areas exist that somehow seems on American to this question rooster you don’t maybe not and political oh well you know this won’t for the first time that a good planner has been accused of being an American but it won’t be the last but

You know we’re not really in the telling people where I shall live but let’s just start with what the with the goal of having growth treating growth equally in the what they have to address what what their waste they have to manage and in this instance and I can go on what about

The cost of public services the sprawl development but you know for the topic here today and now about nutrient pollution from sprawl development at least in Maryland there’s a huge differentials I think I have beaten to the ground by now and we think it’s time that we try to level the playing field

This is an equity issue to some degree on those that are on the tube it lots on septic systems or not outlawing that but we think if you’re going to live out there that it’s high time that you account for what those true rates of pollution really are when

This is been under the radar for the most part up until until now there’s many other facets to you know different things government does and doesn’t do the effects what people live but my state like Maryland of a million new Marylanders in the next 25 years and where does people live work employee

Dramatically affects a number of things not the least of which is the bay local stream streams and rivers our communities and what have you so the goal here is your liberties nutrient pollution and the most effective way to do that as it likes to growth is it’s

Usman press ok we think are just about at the end of our list of questions and making the dress right now people on questions and I think we’re in the process of anybody got a last absolute honey important question to throw in I’ll give it a few seconds before we turn this off

Okay well I I think we’ll well draw this to a close then and thank you all for listening and I hope that you learned as much as I did Cody is going to be coming on now with some last-minute instructions yes thank you Doug and thank you for today’s presentation for

Those of you that are still in attendance I just want to go over some few reminders first off to lock seen your seam credit for attending today’s session you’ll need to go to ww PNG or GM and then under needs activities by date you’ll see and then underneath Wednesday May twenty-fifth you’ll see

The revitalized Chesapeake Bay restoration program however this is still in the process of being approved so be sure to check back in a few weeks to log on your seam credits for this event and then as I was saying earlier we are recording today’s session so

You’ll be able to find a video recording in a 65 per page PDF of today’s webinar at ww utah APA org slash webcast archive and this should be up by Monday so again this concludes today’s session I just want to thank you all again you okay Journal recently specifically one

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