Title:انجمن آتش نشانی ۲۰۲۱: برنامه ریزی شهری در عصر دیجیتال

جلسات موازی FIRE وضعیت بازی در هر یک از بخش‌های انتخاب شده، فرصت‌های راه‌حل‌های EO و چالش‌هایی که مانع جذب آن‌ها می‌شوند را مورد بررسی قرار می‌دهند. این بحث‌ها برگرفته از مشورت‌های ذینفعان سازمان‌دهی شده در اوایل سال است و به عنوان مبنایی برای توسعه استراتژی تحقیق و نوآوری برای فعالیت‌های EO در اروپا عمل خواهد کرد. به طور خاص، جلسه “برنامه ریزی شهری در عصر دیجیتال” به چالش های مرتبط با دستیابی به داده های دقیق و به موقع برای مدیریت تلاش های توسعه شهری می پردازد. این امر نقش رو به رشد محصولات و شاخص های مشتق شده از EO را در ارائه اطلاعات مکانی به روز به شهرها و دولت های محلی زمینه ای می کند. سخنرانان: جنیفر بیلی، رصدخانه ملی آتن کاترین بروباخ، شبکه شهرهای تاب آور اوانجلوس گرااسوپولوس، رصدخانه ملی آتن Remco Timmermans، EO Evangelist برای بخش توسعه شهری، Spaceside

قسمتي از متن فيلم: So hello everyone we hope you are all tuned in we’re starting the uh fireform urban parallel session this is le there’s my speaking i’m the co-founder and director of evenflo and i’m very very pleased to have today with me esteemed panelists and friends to discuss about both where the urban sector stands today

From a sort of pure sector perspective but also how earth observation can address certain challenges that the sector is faced with and how all this can eventually be fed into a strategic research and innovation agenda for earth observation in the sector so um the session will be basically organized in four parts

In the first part you will see the so-called sector lead vaguely research director at the national observatory of athens um who will give an introduction to where are we now you you may already see his uh his first slide this will be followed up by our evangelist remko timmermans who will provide some

Some insights on how earth observation can can basically fit into this picture and then we will enter into a panel discussion hopefully very stimulating not not just for us but for all those who are participating in this discussion and and listening in which will be organized in three ways

This maybe we can live as a mystery for now what these waves will be um and i should also say that at the end of each of the waves though um there will be poles like the one that has already been activated in which you can all uh

Participate in so i’ll just make it uh available for all of you please do participate in this polls because they will allow us to get a better understanding of who is listening in but also a better understanding of of what you think is uh is more relevant more important and so on

Uh you will see there will be uh certain questions that are very uh very much tuned to that and finally at the end of this whole exercise um we will move into the plenary where rapporteur jennifer bailey from from the observatory as well uh will present and summarize what was discussed plus

Will guide us through a very nice graphic recording that will animate the discussion so having basically set the tone and and presented how this whole thing will flow i pass on the floor to vaguelys who will present over the next 12 minutes where are we now miguel is the floor is yours okay

Hello everybody thank you lefteris for your kind introduction so with my presentation i’ll try to set the stage for the current status in the urban sector and potentially lay the ground for our today’s discussion with some of the elements that i’m going to be presenting to you

And first of all the question is why the urban focus some elements that we have probably heard but they are still very important it is always very nice to have some numbers behind our discussions so according to the 2018 revision of what’s urbanization prospects cities occupy a small proportion of the

Earth’s surface still they host more than 50 percent of the world’s population they consume more than 75 percent of world’s natural resources and generate over 80 percent of the world’s economic production and what’s more we expect by 2050 another 2.5 billion people to be added in the city’s population thus the

Percentage might reach something like 70 percent of people living in cities currently at the global level there are different policy frames that drive decisions the three main ones are the paris agreement which is a legally abiding international treaty uh to limit global warming and it has entered into force in 2016.

The second one is the sendai framework for disaster risk reduction which outlines targets and priorities to prevent new and reduce existing disaster risks and this was also adopted in 2015 and the third known one is the 2030 agenda for the for the sustainable development goals which is a universal call

Uh to action to end property poverty protect the planet and improve the lives and prospects of everyone on our uh planet again put into action in 2015 so it looks like 2015 and 2016 were the years of some global thinking that try to put some frames to drive things in the right direction

And what’s a little bit less known is the new urban agenda it’s another policy frame again during the same years but it’s less known that is trying to tackle with the complexity of the cities and the mechanism for decision making which also tackles with all the three uh

Other uh policy frames and this is actually the main frame that we are going to be dealing uh with as we see here we have the frames and actually when you have a frame you certainly need some tools or methodologies to monitor evaluate and maybe uh refine and redefine

The ways to achieve the targets and one of the most appropriate ways to do things is the specific indicators and targets that have been put by the hdg frame which has a dedicated goal goal number 11 on sustainable cities and communities however it’s not the only goal that touches upon urban issues indicatively

Goal number three is about good health and well-being which is very relevant and covenant number seven affordable and clean energy number six about clean water and of course number 13 which is about the climate action and what we need to do in the years to come is how all these policy frames and

These indicators are actually exploited in the best way so that we have tangible outcomes and impacts for people in the cities to address specific uh problems and having all-time citizens at the epicenter of these actions but it’s not just the policy frame there are a lot of initiatives

Or regional policy frames that are put in to action that really enable to improve actions in the cities as an example we have the european uh green deal which is meant as the means to transform europe into a resource efficient and competitive economy and there is a new

Initiative within the green deal which is called the green deal going local which actually puts cities and richards at the core of this green deal and nbc’s projects with direct funding for cities and with tangible outcomes coming into play then the next thing coming into my mind was destination earth another

Initiative uh the european level which aims uh to develop a high precision model of uh planet earth to monitor both human and uh natural uh activity and what a better landscape or laboratory could we think rather than a city to start implementing this digital twins concept that is very trendy nowadays

And then there are also other initiatives alliances and networks that like for example the carbon neutral cities alliance uh the global resilient cities networks c40 cities the iclay that are really tackling with urban resilience and climate actions in cities and getting all this action closer to their really city stakeholders

And decision makers and this is a very important element in in our route so there are great many issues that the urban sector faces this is just an indicative list of sat but it’s not just the problem that the urban sector faces it’s also other fundamental elements that

We need to have clarified for example what is the definition of a city because if we don’t have a definition of a city it’s actually hard to implement the different uh strategies that we are aiming at and uh during the last years the u.n statistical commission has

Endorsed a global definition of the city that has has been produced by jrc uh and it introduces a new methodology which is called the degree of urbanization and actually it’s based on open open data open satellite data and global geospatial data which is very important and actually

Sets the state of how we should be thinking of a city with respect to the density of the population with respect to central centers of the city and computing zones and other parameters then another important element is the urban paradox which is the fact that cities on one hand

Are where we have great economic growth but at the same time where we face very important problems like crap crime like traffic light pollutions and we have to put all these things in in the same packet and uh try to figure out how to resolve them and then also people uh within the

Distance of a few kilometers we may be having people that have comfortable lifestyles or others which face great challenges like affordable uh housing etc so we need to take all this into account and make sure that social cohesion is maintained throughout all solutions that we are seeking

And pursuing and at the end of the day we also have this smart city trend but i was always wondering trying to follow all these definitions of smart cities what is the right way to approach it is it the infrastructure is it the technology uh of course it’s

Everything but at the end of the day to my mind comes it’s it’s also about the decision makers if they are smart enough to ask model to to adopt and implement all those smart approaches for the benefit of the citizens and we all understand that it’s such a

Complex still rich landscape there are of course many challenges but also very many opportunities and i think that uh the technological advance advancements of our times like big data and artificial intelligence are the right probably keys to unlock many of the opportunities that we are having in the urban

Sector so i will not dig into more details about specific problems because this is going to be a presentation that follows but the opportunities are very great many but it’s just that the opportunities when it comes to implementation of such solutions there are many obstacles in this many come from the research area

Probably but we are gradually tackling with this but there are also others coming from the city perspective so actually questions like do we have people to to to support uh this uh transition to the new era uh do we have the money to do uh that and we do have

The money to uh maintain all these solutions that will come in front of us for implementation maybe most importantly to have the will to start implementing uh these elements because in many cases for example transparency has always been an obstacle to start implementing new uh methodologies in cities and everywhere else so

Coming back to the main policy frame as we described it before the new urban agenda just for everybody no this was adopted by the un conference on housing and sustainable urban development back in 2016 and few months later it was endorsed by the united nations uh general uh assembly

And what it tries to bring is a a frame for actions at the national regional and local level uh to promote mainly urban well-being and not only in cities it includes the full spectrum of human settlements and it sets five main pillars which actually can be considered as the trend for the

Years to ham to come like national urban policies urban legislation and regulations urban planning and design local economy and municipal finance and local implementation very important and many of those elements are already being implemented in different parts of the world and it’s part of our work

To dig them out our best practices and share these good practices also with other cities jio as the group on earth of the veg observation and in the governmental organization that is trying to coordinate earth observation including satellite information nc2 information among data among others has grabbed grasped this trend

That the urban agenda is coming is rising very rapidly in the global scene and though discussions about the new engagement priority in geo started in 2016 we actually reactivate he activated this discussion in 2019 and 2020 and jio is now ready to enjoy endorse urban resilience as its fourth engagement priority

The other three being the paris agreement the climate change action uh the disaster risk reduction and the sustainable development goals this will be hopefully endorsed in november 21 21 in the geoplenary and as soon as this happens it will allow for the creation of an official frame for urban

Resilience in the earth observation domain where we will be able to concretize and uh existing activities to develop the new activities actually listening to the needs coming directly from the cities and create synergies between the existing engagement priorities in a way that they don’t overlap but actually they synergistically try to resolve issues

That there is at the end of a day you know overlap and by urban resilience the global resilient cities network they define it as the capacity of all city systems businesses institutions communities and of course individuals to survive adapt and grow no matter what chronic stresses and

Acute shocks they experience and this is very important because we put urban resilience as the main keywords in the effort that we are doing in the geo community and through this effort that we are going to initiate initially in geo we end this age to assist in the

Implementation of the new urban agenda which also for season assessment every four years to figure out the ways to engage with cities and make them understand the value and use of usefulness of the different earth observation based tools that we are creating and more important to encourage new activities where the

Industry and the cities and all competent stakeholders are part of the play and help us co-design the solutions so at the end of the day and probably trying to reply to my first slide which was why the urban forum focus i suppose therefore urban focus is necessary because indeed cities are

Where most changes are happening but also the place where most opportunities lie so we really shouldn’t lose this opportunity and we should work seriously in this direction and probably make the impossible possible so thank you very much for your attention and thank you lester for the flaw thanks thanks thanks very much

Thank you for finishing that with this uh nice perspective and also for for bringing up so many interesting topics to uh to discuss afterwards um i would now pass the floor to our first evangelist in the urban sector remkorem timmermans sorry for any technical travel remco that you had in

In joining but it’s really really a pleasure to have you with us today and uh just to say that remko is a true evangelist in the sense that he has been doing that for many years now and we are very pleased to have him on board fireform

And and the efforts we are doing here so um the remco will present to us a little bit more the earth observation perspective and sort of add this ingredient also in the mix that we will then uh discuss over the um the discussions in the different waves that we will have afterwards

So remember the floor is yours yes yes we can hear you well i actually can very good so um well thank you again for the introduction and and and thank you for that uh uh interesting presentation on on some of the challenges i will maybe repeat some of these things but um

I think uh the the message that together as urban specialists we we put down on the uh on the benefits of earth observation will be really clear after this so let me go to full screen here um there we go so um welcome everyone my name is ramco

Timmermans as leftist just said i’m the just freshly announced eo evangelist for the urban sector and together with some of the people um that are joining us today i will do my best to to help bring space data into the urban world i’m going to talk about three things i’m

Going to talk a little bit about earth observation but most of us will know that talk a little bit about the urban challenges again repeating what the previous speaker said and and looking at combating barriers and perhaps a few examples so first of all the technology that we’re talking about we’re talking about

Satellite technology here um for the benefit of urban planning and urban management and when we talk about space data when we talk about satellite technology we really talk about three different sides of um of of the use of satellites first of all communication secondly satellite navigation and thirdly the most importantly here earth

Observation but all three are considered space data that all play a role in in the benefit of of urban development now the benefits of earth observation technology can really be summarized in in one sentence that i i put into this slide where we can say that satellites observe

The entire planet so not just cities the entire planet in increasingly high resolution there’s a very fast development happening at moment we’re not only talking about pictures we’re talking about many different bandwidths many different spectra in which these satellites operate and this data is easily combinable within situ data the information is non-disputable

There’s no tampering in space the information is digital from the source and it is practically real time with many satellites flying over an area many times a day some of the challenges again repeating what the previous speaker said um that we can solve with space and uh i

Really like uh the way that the united nations is looking uh at this in the context of the sustainable development goals um and the director of the united nations office for outer space affairs has said that 65 out of the 169 targets which is almost 40 percent rely on geolocation and earth

Observation and that is a great example of the important role that space data plays in solving these issues and if we look at some of the issues indicated by the united nations under sdg 11 which is about cities we can find many examples where the space this space data can help

Some areas again repeating what’s been said climate pressure mitigation and adaptation to climate change in cities air and water quality monitoring flood risk assessment um we see the droughts in in in the west of america at the moment which which is typically something that can be monitored from space urban demographics social economic

Measurements from space um can be can be seen from space and i have an example later on on how that exactly can work that’s the least obvious one in my opinion uh the most obvious one is mapping urban land use green areas and another one that i think

Is is less well known is uh the inspecting and monitoring of urban infrastructure down to the individual building an individual element level for example using radar data from space there’s lots of barriers we’ve heard that there’s lots of barriers in the uptake of space data from an urban point of view

A lot of these barriers really come down to urban myths and this is this is i guess where i as an evangelist come in but we all as um the earth observation sector came in to uh to counter these urban myths these perceptions that people have like earth

Observation is very scientific it’s not suitable for small cities it is it costs a lot of money it doesn’t work in the way in in in our traditional workflows there’s insufficient knowledge um and this very technicality of data is often something we have to comment and this this is

Something that was true probably 20 years ago but nowadays data is presented in a much more user-friendly way so the role for the earth observation sector for the people in this call right now in my opinion is really to take these barriers and translating them into needs translating

Them into oven ready solutions if you like for the challenges that the urban sector faces and many of these things can be as you can can read yourself here many of these perceptions can be turned into benefits and into into real solutions that do meet the requirements of cities

Now to close off i have two examples that i personally like and that really indicate how earth observation can help at the very detailed level that urban planners are often looking at and a good example here and uh don’t get me wrong there’s thousands of examples and i just

Picked out two very random ones but one that i like particularly that indicates the level of detail that we’re really looking at using space data is the national tree register in this case in the netherlands it exists in more places but measuring green areas and The the parks and trees in cities is something that has been going on for quite a while but it’s very labor-intensive you need people to look at these trees from the ground uh do measurements and do mapping very labor-intensive very costly from space there are now algorithms like you

Can see here that do that and and this goes down to individual tree level i’m very proud to see one of the trees that i planted in front of my previous house in 2006 that is now visible from space and that i think is a great example of how this

Could work another example um is uh by is measuring activity people activity in a city in this case bicycles where people are encouraged to use an app bicycle users to use an app that will guide them through a city using the best routes specifically for bicycles but it also

Provides data back to the city in the sense that this data can be used to identify bottlenecks or to identify the routes that bicycles choose that are not often not always the same routes that the urban planners have in mind so these are just two very um

Simple but very telling examples of the value the benefits that space data brings to cities to close off um i will read this quote from young gail a very well known architect and urban visionary who says that all the cities of the world are going to expand we need to

Have a better understanding of what makes good urban habitat for homo sapiens we have an obligation to make the new places more livable more sustainable and more healthy we have the tools and now we know which tools he is really talking about thank you very much

Thank you thank you very much ramko this is also very uh inspiring and indeed now we would like to discuss a little bit more from both sides so the part of the tools that can make homo sapiens now live in a better way inside cities but also

The the true ways that cities operate and and also trying to bring things like you know big and high level policy agendas into uh the reality that actors and actually different types of actors at city level phase so here we have the pleasure of welcoming also catherine brubach catherine is a global

Director of the program’s innovation and impact for the resilient cities network so welcome catherine it’s really a pleasure to have you here thank you so much for having me and i’m very happy also to uh to invite jennifer into the discussion uh jennifer is also working at the

National observatory of athens very much involved in urban activities and urban projects both from let’s say the the earth observation perspective but also from understanding what the the urban sector needs so now as i said earlier we will organize that in three ways the first one we will

Be talking a little bit more about trends so we will be trying to understand where the sector stands now which are the main mega trends if you wish that are shaping the sector and as i mentioned in the earlier introduction how this really translates into action on the ground

And in that regard we we heard already vaguely discuss quite a lot about urban resilience and how this is even becoming a new priority under jio and so on but of course this priority in itself is not coming from an earth observation body it’s coming from the ground it’s coming from

The cities it’s coming from the actors that are trying to make uh you know the cities more livable and more functional so here i would like to invite catherine to to comment on how does urban resilience really set the agenda for cities and and how does this bring innovation into the picture

So um thank you so much and um thank you so much for the the really really inspiring um presentations um by the way i learned a lot about earth observation i’m i’m an engineer by profession so i was actually collecting data in cities on the ground counting houses streets

Toilets um so i know that now most probably you can do this whole exercise much faster from from space so um i guess um the really really important points have been mentioned um in the sense of what we are thinking about working with cities in the context of urban resilience and that is

Sustainable development which guides everything and um and i guess for for a very long time and we’re talking about trends and trends our short-term trends long-term trends um we have been thinking about how do we need to build or reimagine cities for our kids for our children for our future

And and what does that mean and exactly how do we we design and plan for cities that are sustainable and and allow us to to look into a prosperous future and i think that that remains more important than ever but the the connection to to resilience and

What we are talking about and you heard um the presentation we are using within an within the resilient cities network is about talking about the future and about sustainability and what our children’s needs are really important but then suddenly there’s something happening which disrupts everything and i think we

All have been living in this reality for the last one and a half years or we we continue to live in the reality when there is a lot of rain and it starts flooding or um when there is a drought and we actually don’t have

Water and we also see that um not only in the developed world and in europe but we also see that more pronounced in in developing countries and i think um what we are trying to do and when we’re talking about transits we’re not only talking about how to develop for the

Future but also to make sure that we respond to um to sudden shocks and stresses and um in that context um i i wanted to to mention one more important threat we as um as the resilient cities network are looking at when we’re talking to our cities so so we heard about climate

Change we heard about urbanization but we also um we we look at globalization and i think we all have seen that what it what happens if if there’s no water in the jordan valley and that’s something we could see in in a small impact that means that

Maybe we don’t get the bananas we really like into our supermarkets um we have seen how fast a virus can travel or how quick it can travel from china to europe and how interconnected the world is and i think that is something which um which i would would like to mention in

The context of what threats cities face so it’s climate change it’s urbanization we heard that but it’s also globalization we are so interconnected and whenever we start to think about solutions and that’s the connection to innovation it means we need to think about all these three things because problems at the other end

Of the world can cause problems to us within a day and um and looking at like i would really like us to to also look at the global south because at the end of the day their cities are and there’s so much pressure because um they are constantly facing

This challenge that they have massively growing populations if we look at the growth in in southeast asia or in africa and that the urban systems these populations depend on were designed for for far fewer people and that cities cannot cope so they don’t have the capacity they don’t have the money and

At and every single day um um these cities need to take decisions what do i plan for what do i do first where do i do um and set um my priorities um coming back to to um to i guess to covet and i think everybody talks

About covert these days or maybe not that much anymore like a year ago but covet literally has changed the world and it also has changed how we and everybody talks about resilience um and um so so it’s if if you look at if if you look at the

In the news sustainability was the password for the last 10 years and then we had the financial crisis now we are now we are having the um pandemic and literally it’s it’s about everybody talks about resilience because everybody recognizes that he or she or a city or whoever needs to respond um to

This challenge and um and that means that um that because the corvette has as um disrupted cities and that’s that’s what resilience is literally about it’s about disruption it’s something is happening and suddenly a city is not able to function and how can a city plan for not only a

Sustainable development but also to to respond to a disruption and while while cities are doing that and this is where we need to move i think when it comes to urban planning is how do we plan for um for certain shocks um that may happen that that could be a

Flower flood that could be a drought or another pandemic while we at the same time recognize that we have underlying stresses like poverty like um insufficient housing like lots of different parts and how can we plan considering all these different aspects moving forward and what role um does

Data play in that and i think um when when i have been thinking about earth of observation in the context of building urban resilience it’s always about getting better data to inform decisions and and in between the data and the decision piece is the planning piece and the

Planning piece means also that i’m trying to develop solutions and projects and whatever is being required in a way that i’m um that i’m multiplying the the impacts and the benefits of a certain initiative so that i’m starting to think about to not only have a project that addresses flood

But it addresses flood while at the same time it um it addresses the affordable housing crisis a city face or job security or whatever and i think covet has um has has shown us that that resilience and and in that contact uh context resilient recovery was at the agenda for cities in the

Years to come because we may go through the pandemic but we have an economic crisis in front of us and we have the whole planning for uncertainty and i think that’s another another point which is really really important where earth observation is an important part is we

Plan for uncertainty usually and i’m an engineer we are planning backwards we are learning from the past and then and then we are then we are taking what we learned in the past and apply it to the future but that’s not how it works anymore we we

Need to to really think about how we can look forward and plan based on things we don’t know and where we get the data from to do that so i guess um in my opinion in the agenda and the trend for the cities in the next years

Um will definitely be how to build resilience and how to how to um apply earth observation in the context of a resilient recovery and that means addressing multiple risks and vulnerabilities at the same time towards a sustainable future that we all hope for thanks thanks thanks gary now this is uh

Definitely a very very interesting let’s see way to to paint the current picture and and and to paint it uh really from the perspective of how cities are organized um i will come back to the point you raised on supply chains and and maybe you can share a little bit the

The experience you haven’t and the value that networks of cities have i would leave that for the second wave of our discussion if you don’t mind because this is more related in some sense to to challenges and then perhaps in order to to complete the picture because we’re discussing now how

Resilience is is conceived and works and operates especially in the face of such a disastrous situation with with a pandemic but at the same time if you wish aims that were there before and perhaps they have been painted a little bit more strongly when we were all seeing the

Things about wildlife reclaiming cities or air quality improving vastly because nobody’s moving around and things like that but all these are perhaps showing a little bit a future that one might dream for and and this future typically especially in the european context is tied to carbon neutrality uh where we

Want to become a carbon neutral continent by 2050. so here i would like to to raise the question to vigils but anyone else who wants to jump in is failed to do it’s free to do so um what what practices can you can you share what what type of actions can we

Consider that really bring us towards carbon neutrality and and if any of those have uh let’s say a flavor of earth observation in them as well okay okay thank you lester for the question i suppose there is no not such a thing like a single reply to that

However i will probably use an example to try to follow your question and this example probably will try to address how should we be bridging uh the gap between research including earth observation and uh policy so i’ve been describing the different policy frames but especially when we are

Talking to cities it’s not always obvious how can uh these directions can reach down to the city level and lead to some tangible action so the example comes from the country where we live in greece and i’m sorry i happen to be a member of the national experts committee for climate change so

In this capacity i was able to to track the development of uh the policy plan which has actually targeted uh three specific elements uh improving the building energy efficiency uh in the country uh in increase the number of electric cars by renewing the the vehicle’s fleet and increase the penetration of renewables

Also in cities like a rooftop photovoltaics in the buildings so and for these three priorities they have been specific target set okay and this was part of the national legislation now changing ahead and becoming a researcher i got with my colleagues this policy framing and target and we submitted a proposal in horizon

Where we had to find solutions exploiting earth observation in order to facilitate the implementation of these of these three policies and indeed next week actually we are kicking off a new horizon uh project called eiffel where in our athens pilot we will be exploiting high-resolution earth observation data to monitor

The climate change uh aspects that you raised how can we have activities that we really improve in these three domains that i mentioned uh the footprint of the city so how can how far can we exploit the roofs in terms of surface how much energy can you

Produce how can can this incorporate it uh in the power distribution system can you use this renewable energy to uh charge your electric car in few years from now can you use this electric energy to feed the building needs and what other elements can uh can you do in the interventions can you

Do in the building in order to increase in energy efficiency and all these things that you are doing how do they increase the greenhouse emissions from the urban web mitigation and how does this improve for example air quality in the neighborhood so these are the questions that we’re facing

With and not just in theory because we are going to be implementing this stuff in three big municipalities in athens and then we will try also to upscale it for the whole city and this is going to happen in co-design mode with the regional authorities and in the city’s

Authority so with one pilot we are breaking the high governmental policy maintained and directions with the city stakeholders with the research and the citizens inside to co-design the the solutions and at the end of the day we shall be bringing tangible decision support systems for those city

Stakeholders that need to take it and sustain it and to make the next steps so i think this is a very good example of how we should be thinking and so probably this should be driving also the next r d era in european commission because yeah bringing policy into concrete

Actions is probably the way uh through for us thanks thanks thanks thank you thanks also for for giving us an example of this multi-stakeholder cooperation paradigm of course it’s a very much worn if you wish buzzword is the whole triple helix quadruple helix and so on but

Cities in the urban environment seems to be a prime area for this to really be put in action um i think at this point the first wave of discussion around the trends is sort of concluded i’m saying sort of because we will just and all the audience

Participants might have seen it we have just opened a poll which is on which trend will save the future of urban planning and there we we kindly ask you to just choose one and in the meantime maybe i could ask renko and this could bring us to the to the

Next discussion as well because what legales described is how policy makers city authorities researchers come together but at the end of the day you also need the industry to come to come in the picture because if this is to be sustained in terms of operational provision they need to be involved and i’m

Wondering if you could share some some thoughts on how can this really happen how can industry help have smart clean healthy cities for the future sure um sure i can i can answer that um and to me the uh a big part of the answer is really simply about awareness um

Awareness about the solutions that uh that earth observation and that space data can offer but also awareness of the initiatives that already exist there’s a lot happening in this area there’s a lot happening already in the use in the uptake of space data for city planning yet it seems uh quite scattered

There’s cities uh inventing solutions that have already been invented um there’s a lot of reinventing wheels if you like and within the earth observation area there’s a lot of um preaching to the choir reaching out to people who have already been reached and and that’s

Where i see the role of the evangelist i think that’s the reason why why the fire forum was created in the first place is to help raise this awareness and awareness is is reached in different ways and a very important task and that’s why i like the word evangelist because evangelists

Are are supposed to be good and we still have to prove ourselves we were announced an hour ago so give us some time but we’re supposed to be able to take the language if you like of the earth observation bubble take the language of the urban

Bubble and try to put a translation in place try to bring the two closer together so redefine the solutions that exist in terms of the words that urban planners are using and are looking for in in their problems and and i think if you are able to apply simple communication techniques

To that that we can raise this awareness both with urban planners and don’t get me wrong also with the earth observation sector who will need to learn to speak the language of the industry because we we do see the the focus shifting from the technology it authorization used to be very

Technology focused area into applications and solutions and we need to re-learn the language of speaking into solutions and then i think this awareness and this uptake and this avoiding of re reinventing wheels will be prevented thanks thanks thanks no this is definitely a very very sharp point it’s it’s something

I guess both sides are also i mean they are aware of the lack of awareness of each other’s uh words so hopefully uh yeah if i may jump in yeah please please please do because ramco really touched the point and i wanted to say that in geo community we have a specific

Subgroup which working on creating the right use cases so that people like you and vancolis can use uh to spread the word of the earth observation used to city stakeholders so this interface is really really important and we should definitely be the two communities in touch to achieving this

And and i see catherine also wants to to comment on this yeah i i i i i think i have to um i i think they’re they’re it’s more than just language so clearly and and i think one one big issue we see in cities is cities are

Operating in silos so if you just look at the city system or the city government it’s not that people are talking a lot within city government and i i think that is that has been from our our experience working with 100 cities globally be one very important part uh in um in

Establishing a chief resilience officer which is actually not an urban planner or not an engineer or not something yes they can have these professions but they are operating horizontally to improve communication and collaboration within the city government then you add a next layer and you say there are like all

These technical experts the private sector businesses god knows who coming and and we all need to talk about and we need to understand each other that’s where the language is coming in but we we also need to find ways um to collaborate and to talk to each

Other and that is that is a big big issue and um and and that’s what we are trying to do in these city networks and you have mentioned c40 and a clay and us and so on and i think it’s about bringing the right people together to

Learn from each other to exchange and to expose and and i think this is this is not only where where the private sector or technology or anything is is coming in connection with cities but also where cities can learn from cities and i’m and i think you are very much right that a

Lot of cities don’t know what’s going on so i work very closely with the city of cape town around the drought and one big issue they had was that within six months they were like literally sixty thousand four holes drilled in the city and we were discussing at that time

Is there an opportunity with satellite images to actually spot and identify these poor hoes because the boreholes are draining the aquifer and there’s a massive threat um if the city doesn’t understand where where bojos are and people are not registering so and and there was a big conversation in this in

This group of super smart people and nobody said i don’t know if that is possible i don’t know if ai can do that so so i think it’s it’s about talking the same language talking in examples talking in solutions that people understand but also finding the right way

To collaborate and to start that talking and and and the interesting part is we are talking about that now i’m not a city i live in a city and i’m i’m working for a city network but i’m not a city we don’t have a city here so so i think that this is

And i think that is that is a really really important part in resilience planning and i have to say resilience planning it’s collaboration and cooperation because we have to learn from each other and we all have to come to the table because we there is no single person single organization who

Knows everything that we need to sit together um to do to um to exchange and i i i think this is this is what i heard before but it’s it’s learning it’s looking at stuff it’s um exchanging so and that’s more than language that’s um definitely a lot more active i guess

But but but then if i may follow up a little bit on this thread and and now we have already sort of naturally moved into discussion around gaps and challenges so looking looking for a moment into the european context there are several initiatives policy driven that in many ways you could argue that

They do bring together the different actors to talk to each other there’s the eip on the smart cities there are the sustainable urban mobility plans and the whole mobilization around that and i would like maybe to raise the question to the whole panel uh in that regard you know

What is the real impact of all this is is it is it actually fulfilling all these goals that we are discussing around resilience or carbon neutrality is it addressing these challenges even the nitty-gritty challenges that we’re discussing does do we need to do something more so i

Maybe i might maybe i can say something i think um everybody has a right and a place to be here and i think i i don’t think that that um it would be right to say one is not doing the the the right thing but the

The problem is that no matter who you talk to they have an agenda the eib has an agenda we have an agenda you have an agenda and and the big question is if we go in a conversation with cities what is the agenda we are bringing in and what do we

Want to sell and what do we want to convince them so in my opinion one of the most powerful ways i have seen it is if if people who have the same issues talk to each other so and and that’s what we what we see when when cities start

Talking to each other so when you when you have a conversation between multiple cities on earth observation that will go totally different than any of us sitting in this conversation and and the question is how can we support that it’s not about experts telling people it’s about

Like you talking to a person who has the same issue that you have and who has maybe a solution you would like to try or you’re interested in and i think this is this is where we have to learn is about how how can we bring peers

Together how do we actually are able to to to work with one city but then together with that city talk to peers and they they learn from each other so i think that’s that’s really important and maybe just a very quick um comment on that and this is actually not

Relevant only for this session but all the sessions that are happening this morning and also in the afternoon on fire this is precisely the the real aim of fire as a project and as a forum so the the the vision is to really bring together practitioners

From the sector side to talk to each other bring up their different challenges and so on and so forth and of course then bring in some experts who can we can guide them through what is actually possible with the different types of of solutions uh bring in the evangelists as

Well who can really sort of break through these different barriers and and and spread the word so we’re not there yet it’s it’s uh it’s it’s you know something that we’ll need to uh work on still but but i’m i’m very happy to hear that from your perspective and

And i’m very happy that we’re all yeah working in that same direction um maybe maybe to to continue along this thread uh further in this gaps and challenges perspective because one of the sort of holy grail discussions when it comes from the earth in the earth’s observation sector is is

The whole discussion around user uptake so why when we have such beautiful solutions that can either uh you know look into uh what’s happening in the air we breathe in the green green parts of the cities in urban heat islands all these things you know why are they not taking up enough

You know what’s stopping us or is it an organizational point is it a technical point so maybe remco and vaguely you could and jennifer of course you can jump in and share some thoughts there yeah if i may start yeah i think this is something we’re experiencing experiencing while implementing a

Project i think it is very important that in such cases we are able to design and implement very concrete pilots which from early on they engage with all competent stakeholders as i said before it is very important that you have on the same table all the disciplines that are uh

Relevant to the thing that you need to resolve the decision makers you have their agendas on the table and you you need to know how you can adjust to this unfortunately this has not been happening successfully for many different many different ways maybe having the engagement of the stakeholders being

Part of the problem but during the last years i mean the authorities are able to be partners of projects so they have their own budget and they have they can find the resources to to to be part of this uh process of course they need to be

Trained on how to do this and how to follow uh with the different actions decided and um yeah that’s important and as soon as we have we are able to create those use cases then as i said before this then it’s a very easy to uh to start the replication and as soon

As you start the replication then you have also what catherine said you have all the players of the city talking to all the other players from different cities and there is where traction begins because then they can exchange information like like okay what was the cost that you saved doing this have you

Already done this how has been disappreciated by your citizens because at the end of the day it’s also about voting and have you been able to do things that you weren’t able to do before using cat observation so as soon as we initiate this discussion i think we have made

The first step for a snowball effect because technology is out there as ramco said so this is the way probably out yeah yes as i said the technology is there um but the information may not always be there and this is exactly what i guess

All of us have been saying uh is these examples are super important that’s why i i included them in in my presentation these examples are important but these examples are not always obvious to find to uh to the stakeholders and um for example a few years ago nereos the the the organization

Of uh space regions in in europe they issued a little book with a hundred examples of space data applications across different industries including urban mostly from universities and they had a big campaign on pushing that information out to the different stakeholders but even they were were only successful

To a limited amount probably because they didn’t talk to all the stakeholders they seem to be very heavy on the government side and on the education side but not on the industry and definitely not on the on on the city’s side if you like and uh but still that that example uh indicates

On perhaps something that we as a sector can do in in bringing these examples together and finding ways to bring these examples into the right discussions that katrin was was mentioning when these these peers are together in some shape or form that we inject these examples uh

To this correct audience and where they can share these different examples the example of the tree monitoring that i i just indicated was developed for the netherlands and has been implemented in the netherlands and i very much doubt that anyone outside the netherlands has ever heard of it

Yet the algorithm that was built applies to any country in the world really any city in the world and now this is such a small country it’s it’s almost a waste of effort and if we can find a way to bring these examples to other places that would be a big win um

Am i allowed to just yes yes yes please do please do i i think so what i’m hearing and i think this is this is like super exciting it’s i i guess if we manage what what a evangelist was saying about so we are working with the city doing that and what um

What what was said is like if we can design something where like multiple cities come together around a challenge and we are applying solutions in on this specific challenge in multiple cities and they become these multiplicated with the the like the the champions of something and they start talking then we can potentially

Take it um anywhere and i think this is this is where would also like to stress what what we are trying to do is so if you have two european cities and you do have two such asian cities into north american cities and they are working on a solution around the challenge they

Face together then then you multiply the technical expertise the peer-to-peer learning and the knowledge and then and then then you can push it out and i think this is this is the concept we are trying to apply around resilience challenges through the programs we are implementing so so our programs are

Literally global programs with multiple cities working on the same challenge and um and applying solutions and i i i think i would really encourage and i know that in europe that’s happening partly but i think this this would be a wonderful field to apply exactly what we heard to

Bring the technical people together and the cities together and um and and work with multiple cities at the same time no thanks thanks thanks catherine and in some way this represents a way to address fragmentation of of efforts from the demand side and i was wondering jennifer

If you would like to comment also on on the fragmentation of efforts on the supply side on the eo community side sure thank you um yeah i think just kind of following up on that there is a lot of fragmentation a lot of different people are doing similar

Things or focusing on similar issues in the urban domain and really a problem there is kind of bringing those people together to see where we can reduce that sort of duplication of efforts in some cases or just bring together different pieces of the puzzle to give a better more fuller picture of

Of how we can use eo to address these problems in the larger urban fabric so kind of the whole discussion that van gaalis was having earlier about geo kind of giving us this umbrella of urban resilience or resilient cities and human settlements to kind of bring the community together reduce this fragmentation

See what’s going on and how we can address different issues and how they might also While addressing green spaces also address air quality issues and kind of give that use case or like different case study example to different cities or to different eo players even where they can see it applying across the world in different situations as well thanks jennifer actually this is a

Perfect segue for for our next wave in the discussion uh i should say to to the audience there is a poll running now and we will leave it running for some time also during the third wave looking into what hinders greater uptake of eu solutions in the urban planning

Context so please i invite everyone to to to vote on that um i’m saying it’s a perfect segue because again if we cycle back to the beginning we we want to build a sort of in collection of inputs for a strategic research and innovation agenda in the urban planning

Sector in with regards to using earth observation solutions so one would imagine that if we are suggesting certain projects would happen and this would be built around certain use cases like you guys are discussing um you know where is the real value proposition of first observation what where should we focus on

What what should this first wave of new efforts in this sector be focusing on so this is a sort of rapid fire question so everyone feel free to take a minute and and give some some insights i think i can start if i may yeah so i i think

I think there have been many very many projects during the last decade that really produced some nice and tangible outcomes but as ramco said are we all aware of these outcomes because most of the times you know uh the solutions and together with the end of the of the project and this

Is always a problem so probably the new era of projects should make sure that we build upon existing efforts achievement things and that after the projects we have also a mechanism that enables different players and we can talk about this to sustain these solutions and make them part of a city

Everyday life and such players could be either the authorities but then we should be talking about capacity building in the authorities about funding or about national adjustments of the funding and agendas in order to be able to sustain this stuff but also and most probably most importantly the industry because i suppose

Companies smes in cities could be the ones that uh take up such solutions and uh uh through a p to pronoun relationship they can uh have it as an ongoing activity that really brings benefits uh to to to the citizens and uh the cities so i think uh this is one of

The things that we should start from existing parties we have many as i said biodiversity air quality mature earth observation applications applications that would really help us spread the word and make it people fully aware of the capacities and the opportunities behind that observation and then as things must rise

Than other issues like climate change which are not directly uh i mean it’s not like just monitoring carbon dioxide there are great many opportunities behind and observation to tackle climate change mitigation and adaptation but i think this will match rise with uh time and i might just follow up really

Quickly on that um kind of just showing that eo at least from my perspective eo is more than just pretty pictures of earth i don’t know kind of bringing it together and um like we were talking about reducing the fragmentation showing that it can address all these different things like

Bengali says like how to how can it actually see the climate changing over time plus also monitoring all these other aspects too so just taking it beyond just the visual static aspect which i think it’s portrayed in a lot of ways yeah and i i guess i i would like to add

To that it’s i think i think we also needed a little bit of shift on how we are started addressing that so so it’s not like going out and saying we have a solution or like like um jennifer was saying these pretty pictures and and they will help you it’s about

City cities will will start working with you guys if if if you perceive them as as customers that do have an issue they need to solve for so they are not buying a solution at the doorstep when they don’t understand how the solution is actually addressing the most pressing needs they have

So so so the issue is that i think and and that’s that’s where where the language issues come it’s about we can help you solve the problems of the 21st century and and we can help you to solve the critical problems and we can and we can help you to actually

Advance your strategies if it’s net zero or god knows what and and and this is how we can do that and i think we have we had some very very amazing examples by by doing so to say design so so discussing around a challenge and bringing in certain solutions from

Multiple angles rather than going in with a solution and say this is what you need to do it and and specifically the tree coverage aspect so we we did we did a uh um a par strategy an urban forest strategy um together in in melbourne uh

With the city which is one of the major um initiatives of the city to build urban resilience now these parts like what you’re saying this is what cities are looking for but they need to understand how it actually helps address the challenges and i i think

This is we need to give time to understand what they’re trying to solve for before we go in with the right solution and and and tell them this is what you need because as soon as you come in and say this is what you need

They may take a step back and say no i don’t understand it and i’m not sure are you just trying to sell me something and um so i think that’s where we also need to make a little bit more of an effort trying to understand and to listen what

They what they what they want what they need and then um offer them something which which is really adapted to the context and the reality they are in if i can bring three key words in the discussion which could be areas of focus in such a sort of strategic perspective for the

Integration of earth observation in the urban sector procurement which is something that you might say well it’s it’s it’s easy but are is the procurement system of cities tuned to be able to use this type of technological solutions the second is capacity building are the people that eventually will be

Working with the type of information or data that earth observation provides able to do so so and then funding of course who pays for all that and and how can cities themselves or or countries or i don’t know umbrella organizations uh or investment banks and so on uh bring the necessary

Funds to to fuel the whole process so it’s an open question to the panelists yeah i guess it’s a it’s a it’s a good one and um this is exactly and also the the uh the story that that uh um that that catherine just just told us this is exactly what many

Uh of the startups in this in in the earth observation area are faced with um and and this is probably where we should look a little bit inside how uh space data uptake is being promoted from a european point of view is with a very heavy focus on uh on on promoting

Startups and startups are typically organizations that need to learn the basics from the ground up and one of the big mistakes that they make and and this is unfortunately something that happens in the eo industry a lot still is that they talk about solutions they talk about solutions that they offer to problems

That they may not quite understand and uh if you look at startup 101 how do you run a business is you have to let go of that you don’t start with a solution you start with a problem and that’s why many of these startups fail and you see the startups that do

Make make it to uh well to a healthy state if you like and and the startups in mind you and this is another answer to your question that will that are able to find funding because the funding is available funding is not a problem but funding finding funding for the right

Projects is is a problem but if you have a good idea if you have a solution to a real problem then the funding is the easy bit the procurement i agree with you the procurement is is often something that is different in every place that you

Want to go to so once you’ve landed your first customer and you understand the procurement system of city a and then you want to apply the same solution to a city that seems to be having the same problem you are faced with a completely different procurement

System and and that is where i guess uh the the sector needs to help but um but but the capacity building that you mentioned so making sure these startups understand the problems of the cities and being able to up to uh to develop solutions based on these

Products i think is is key and is something that we should uh that that we definitely should address first and i i think what you’re saying is so right because cities also don’t want to be the playing field in the test field you know so they they

They they also need to learn and we are running at the moment two two different programs on improving actually on helping cities build capacity how to to work with startups and with small um um organizations and businesses and how they can create an enabling environment for them to come

In with their solutions so i think what you’re what you’re saying um nailed it on on the head and the procurement part is not an easy answer exactly for what you’re saying it’s different everywhere and you may be able to do it somewhere in in one city but not in the other and

Um and i guess this is this is where we as like city networks can play a role and can help because we can bring cities together and and create an environment where a startup or somebody who has a solution can test it out but then we are doing it

In a protected kind of way and not in a kind of a business environment and and but for that it’s important that we are trying to address a problem and not become the seller or the business developer for a solution if i may follow up and knowing i mean that also

Officers from the european commission are probably following this discussion actually i’m sure they do so i’m really happy also to see that there have been some calls out there that they would be helping helping cities on how to do the procurement and they would help cities to coordinate each

Other and find common ways to do procurement and exchange good practices for the use of earth observation so we are in good direction and i hope we keep up also uh efforts like that which we we shouldn’t be taking for granted it’s really important to do that and

Sometimes it can be an obstacle that would prohibit someone to take some action why because they don’t want to waste resources and one year of their time to just do a procurement that might fail at the end of the day and i’m also happy because i see that in in

Many countries i’m talking now about the capacity building thing uh i mean the direction is that the authorities are somehow obliged to justify that they have connection and collaboration with research institutes in the academia in the uh area and this really helps solutions eu based solutions i mean to reach

The stakeholder and help them in terms of capacity building in terms of training start implementing those solutions so we are in a good direction but we have to you know to intensify all these activities i would guess thanks thanks now um since we are 15 minutes more or less before the end of

This session i would like a final super rapid fire basically a couple of words response to the question if you were given the task and the mission to draft this rnd strategy for eo in the urban sector what would be the one thing that you would you know put your money in

So if we can start with with uh with jennifer or catherine don’t ever go ahead um that was difficult i guess um i would say focusing on um kind of the specific use case uh sort of scenario that we talked about bringing together these different cities and

Focusing on one issue it’s where i would focus where i could see eo really playing a tangible concrete role and integrating itself into sort of urban practices and talking to the right people and talking the same language figuring out how to solve those issues and bringing people

All together and let’s say my so that this is not my personal wish just just um just that you’re awake so i would i would really like to have earth observation in the in data poor environments so we are now talking africa we are now talking the developing countries and um

What i think one of the most amazing products would be is finally understand where informal settlements are how big they are how many people are there because people because most of our cities because of the massive growth they are seeing they have literally no idea how many people live in these um high

Risk environments and in these poor environments and they don’t know how to design their urban services to serve these people and i have spent four years of my life counting households kind houses analyzing satellite images to have something flying over all these massive cities like cairo like nairobi like um

Like legos and and doing this analysis and and providing data on which we can finally start improving their lives for a lot of people i think that that would be um that would be absolutely amazing all right ramco maguilly you want to pitch in sure i’ll uh i’ll start there’s three

Key words that i picked up from this discussion and and and well from previous work uh and and i’m gonna mention the three and then we’re gonna pick my favorite one so the three key words um around um earth observation applications for cities is livability resilience and sustainability those are

The key trends that we were talking about and my favorite in this one and that relates to my role as an evangelist is livability because livability is the one that is best understood by citizens and catherine mentioned the word people a few times and i would like to bring the

The challenges the solutions uh and the awareness down to the level of people because that’s ultimately how people understand these solutions if you can clarify how these solutions how these how these earth observation benefits apply to individual citizens then i think the citizens will understand it but also the politicians that are voted

In by these citizens will understand these things so to me citizen is a key word and with that livability of cities is a key word because that brings it down to the human level and and often we we are way too abstract in the in the words that we choose and

In the documents and and the policies that we write you lose the connection with the people and to me that that’s what it’s all about i fully agree with uram colleability is really a key word and i would also like to add the well-being well-being being such an inclusive uh term

Uh it combines everything so livability well-being should be actually yeah the target and if i could uh share a relevant to the world livability vision is that earth observation and us as earth observation experts we are the doctors and we have a stethoscope and with this stethoscope we are actually

Able to see how the city inhales and exhales and as soon as they are doing this you know all instruments in the body are lively doing something traffic it’s pollution it’s the building is the energy so we are there uh actually to heal the cities as soon

As the cities uh know that they can trust that observation and they come to the doctor thanks thanks again we were all waiting until someone would bring up stethoscope in this discussion this is this is really a very good way to also open the the last poll and open the

Floor to some of the questions that were raised uh by the audience so i see there is one usual suspect who has raised quite a few um our good friend emmanuel and i would like this to to read part of this point is basically the story around this fragmentation that happens sort of

Both on the supply and the demand side and should there be a sort of big picture of all the smaller pictures that are under there and if so how are we going to uh to do that i mean i think the simple answer to that

Question is yes we all would like it to be there and there are initiatives of bringing uh many of these initiatives together uh one being uh ersk who is who is bringing this together in these eo portals they they have these these two different portals your mall and well the name of

The other one uh escapes me at the moment there are initiatives i i don’t think they’re complete though and i think it’s it’s uh it’s very difficult to make them complete but yes i do think we should put some effort into uh into trying to to map it out for the different cities

So they can see what is available and a platform where these lessons learned can be shared i don’t know if the e or more is going to do it but something like that where you have one place where all these things are together would be great i don’t know how

Realistic that is on a very short term though and and from the supply point of view i am sure that asuna’s urban resilience is adopted as the fourth engagement priority in zeo that would really boost limiting the fragmentation of efforts we have many activities already in place in geo and initiatives so i

Think those will be better coordinated they will be enabled to grasp better than the needs and they will be adjusting you know all the research all the r d needed to reach some solutions and then yes as soon as these new advancements are taken up by the industry then we are closer to

Uh to the city and then we hope that remco will be able to bridge this gap with the city stakeholders and complete the circle and start talking together all all of us thank you no pressure there i would i would like to like looking at the questions there’s there’s something

That is popping up and i think this is the word of my life it’s it’s about smart cities smart people and and so on and um and i think what what what’s really important for me is that smart is not the solution to everything neither is technology neither is um

Digitalization or whatever yes these are the ways forward that what we see this is what we need to utilize to find solutions but but i think we also need to be nimble in a certain way and just acknowledge that that that um that there will be another challenge where we’re

Constantly facing challenges which we need to address and and neither neither technology or smart or earth observation will be the panacea to all the problems we have and and and but what is really really important that these are tools and and there are a lot of approaches

Out there that can help cities better understanding their risks and vulnerabilities and and that’s what they need to understand to actually build this livability to to to create an equitable and and a sustainable environment for the people who live in cities and and and that that that is the first step

Understanding what are the issues i’m facing and and cities are learning every single day as we are and and our job like all of our jobs is to find more and better ways to partner and help cities to build better ways and to partner and and and to develop initiatives and and these

Initiatives that we are building with all these technologies we have at hand and the ones we are going to develop in future they need to to to address long-term social and economic benefits that the cities need to have because only if that is happening we are going

To have livable cities because if we are destroying this planet beforehand nobody is going to live anywhere and we need to recognize that we need to work together and then we need to talk to each other and maybe as a final like this was beautiful by the way thanks thanks a lot katrina

This could have been the best way to actually close the session but i just want one more element because i see that people are are bringing this up and indeed we didn’t touch upon it enough citizens so how do citizens actually get involved in this whole endeavor

That’s a difficult one i mean if i look at the fourth question uh is it’s from a citizen well we’re all citizens in a way but it all depends on on how actively you want to pick this up and uh i guess it starts at the lowest level

Your own city look around your own city and look at the problems that exist in your own city uh and and try to find angles on on helping people who are working on those problems to solve them and aspiring eo evangelist uh lucas is asking here your

Own city would be a great place to start because that’s the easiest city to understand if you live there and you live the problems then it’s the easiest way to start finding solutions um and and i think your own city is a good place to start and if you want to

Help us bring eo uh benefits to these problems start by thinking about solutions for those problems from your own perspective and that would be a great place to start i guess and that’s not just for aspiring evangelists that’s really for any citizens who wants to to be active in solving your own city’s

Issues and we do have citizen science and we saw this wonderful example earlier about the bike lanes means switch on your phone provide the data other people need to actually inform decision making and and i i know that there is a lot of balance between am i monitored out of

Space what i’m doing and where i’m now going with my bike but at the end of the day all of us uh are producing data every single day and if we allow these data to inform decision making and using using all these wonderful technologies we heard about we are contributing to

The solutions of the future every single minute every every single second most probably yeah and that has other man more significant even more significant dimensions for example when a citizen is part of a solution then probably he would be more willing to learn more about the issue tackled or to change his

Lifestyle towards more i don’t know environmental friendly way or even he could be more convinced and powered to exerting pressure to its own governance to go to a specific direction so i see great many benefits from engaging with citizens and make them part of the solution uh and the co-design of any

Solution and i think it’s also kind of a snowball effect like we mentioned earlier where once you start once you realize okay there is this app that can track air quality or can track this one thing and i can help the city in this way you start to see everything in a

Different light and it just turns from one citizen science initiative to another so it’s kind of once you get your foot in that door of getting involved and either what whether it’s data related or just kind of spreading the word like an evangelist um you kind

Of just doors start opening and you see all these other initiatives going on and you can really kind of like turn your whole perspective towards that thanks thanks very far and i think this really sort of brings the challenge that we are faced with in in fire we need to now

Bring all these very interesting and sharp points that all of you have shared in this discussion uh blended in together with the focus groups that have been uh operating over the past months and try to yeah to make meaningful suggestions of how earth observation could be integrated into the city context and how

Eventually this citizen or citizen authorities or country level challenges can be addressed so with this i would like to thank all of you it was really a great discussion um i would like also to thank our audience for for uh providing all these questions and and raising all these points and

Also of course for filling in the polls i should say that the um summary of what we have discussed will be presented by jennifer in the plenary session so if you’re interested in that please tune in and um and then otherwise i wish you all a nice afternoon

So this this concludes this session thank you very much thank you very much thank you good night thank you bye bye thank you bye bye thank you

ID: p1fe-aPFBFw
Time: 1680691762
Date: 2023-04-05 15:19:22
Duration: 01:31:23

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