Title:اقتصاد انرژی های نو

۲۰۱۱-۱۱-۱۰ ارائه دهندگان: Mitsu Yamazaki و Larry Zinn این وب‌کست فقط برای مشاهده در دسترس است، برای اعتبارات AICP CM قابل استفاده نیست. اقتصاد انرژی های نو دیگر برای ایالات متحده یک کیک در آسمان نیست بسیاری از شرکت ها در سراسر جهان به سختی تلاش می کنند تا دریابند که چگونه هزینه ارائه انرژی پاک به مصرف کنندگان آمریکایی را کاهش دهند. از پنل های خورشیدی گرفته تا ماشین های الکتریکی گرفته تا اپلیکیشن های گوشی های هوشمند، همه می خواهند بخشی از راه حل آینده باشند. با این حال، یارانه های دولتی پس از رکود طولانی مدت به سرعت در حال اتمام است. نگرانی های زیست محیطی بسیاری از پروژه های در مقیاس بزرگ را نابود می کند. و خطرات سیاسی رهبری محلی را می ترساند… برای ایجاد و اجرای موفقیت آمیز استراتژی سبز برای جامعه شما چه چیزی لازم است؟ برای جلب توجه و مکان یابی شرکت های انرژی تجدیدپذیر واقعاً چه چیزی لازم است؟ این جلسه بر روی بهترین شیوه ها و درس های آموخته شده از پروژه های واقعی تمرکز خواهد کرد.

قسمتي از متن فيلم: It is now 1 p.m. so we will begin our presentation shortly today on Thursday November 10th we will have our presentation on the new energy economy given by mitsui Yamazaki and larry’s in the web sorry I’m it’s a little bit more introduction for help during today’s webcast please feel free to type your

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And it will be available along with a six slide per page PDF of the presentation at ww utah APA org slash webcast archive at the time I would like to introduce Shana Johnson who will introduce our speakers for today mid to yamazaki and larry’s in ok Thank You Brittany I’d like that

Thank everyone for attending today on behalf of the economic development division of APA economic development division is sponsoring this webinar and I am currently the secretary treasurer of the economic development division before we introduce Nixon Larry I just like to make a quick plug for the division we’re currently solicit eight

Personal sitting nominations for division chair left and position secretary treasurer for our next two-year term if you’re interested in getting more involved in the division or in possibly running for a leadership position within the division I’d encourage you to go on to our website on planning gorg and contact me or another

One of the board members I’d especially like to thank now meet sue Yamazaki and larry’s n for presenting what I’m sure is going to be a very fascinating webinar this afternoon you see amazake currently serves as the director of corporate services for Kip strategies and Antonio area economic development

Firm before he joined tip into his vice president as a San Antonio Economic Development Foundation and has a background working in business development for international construction and engineering focused farms he has a Bachelors of Arts in International Studies and the Masters in economic development from the University of Southern Mississippi and received a

۴۰ under 40 award from the San Antonio Business Journal in 2004 like me at me too is from just outside of Tokyo but has been living in the United States for at least the past 15 years Larry’s n is currently the president of the to hosford a group he was the chief of

Staff to the San Antonio mayor Phil Hardberger from 2005 until june 2009 and among his responsibilities while he was working at the city with Tina the city’s economic was the city’s from sustainability plan for which he was the primary author he’s also been involved in the green jobs Council which

Was a task force of community stakeholders appointed by the mayor dedicated to creating a green economy for San Antonio he’s a board member of the local chapter of the US GBC and an advisory member to the San Antonio clean technology forum he has many other art honors but his background is actually as

A lawyer so I think he’s going to bring a very interesting perspective to this presentation and with that I’d like to turn the reins over to meet you Larry to begin our presentation thank you all right thank you so much for the kind introduction China and it’s been a

Pleasure to work with you to organize this webinar today and great that are grateful that Larry’s in my good friend have joined to present about some of that planning visions and the success of San Antonio with new shimmer gay alliance so thank you so much brittany

Also for the setting up so i’m going to quickly do a quick introduction and then go through outline of the webinar today and then of course there will include the Larry’s introduction here as well because the watch Cena just mentioned was a little bit dated because he’s just

Made a transition to a new position so here’s outline and we’re going to touch on the national trends I want to actually go through a few slides but given the time and the diversity of the topics we’ve talked about within the mission build a that I’m going to cut it

Short and just touch on one slide of it and then we go through Bishop build a which is really a fascinating subject force people living in San Antonio but also as an economic development consultant working with many communities throughout the nation but this is a very unique strategy and also economic plan

And I wanted to spend a lot more time of this webinar to go into some details introduction so this is me that’s what I look like two years ago anyways and i have 10 years in the country government peeled I’ve done a lot of corporate site selection the international business

Recruitment strong focus on clean technology and all automotive projects I was the vp of 17 your EDF as Tina mentioned and that’s where the bulk of my local economic development experience come from and I was also involved in some some strategic planning for the city of town when you as well and that’s

My background and the TI p strategies is the tickler economic development strategy from out of austin and we have i have some of you a few background slides on it too but let me see so tip’ has been in business for 15 years and the we’ve done project mainly economic

Development strategic planning project in hundred unique communities across 31 States and 41 countries our focus is on strategic planning workforce assessment and and the copy services which include site selection and the business development strategy services again our focus areas our workforce like the workforce commissions of different states and regions military communities

Throughout the nation clean technology projects but also strategies and walking with the universities that the commercialization and workforce training and also economic dueling stories including universities an aspect is lolly well thank you me too and and I want to thank the sponsors for having us today and on the quickly of his former

Chief of staff mayor Hardberger before that I was actually a lawyer by trade that is some of my friends who have left the loss i am a recovering lawyer and and then it was my sole foray into public service in 05 joining mayor Hardberger and it was a wonderful ride and in a

Very unique experience during that time and toward the end of it the mayor wanted to move out on clean technology and thinking about how to position San Antonio and compete in the 21st century global economy and uh and I was the lead author on mission buried a plan and

Which was the economic sustainability plan for San Antonio chair of Mayor Castro’s Board of green jobs Leadership Council and Julio Castro succeeded mayor hard bergens but a very has been a leader in champion of missionary and positioning San Antonio in this way and and the rest is there so I’m going to

Turn it back to midship okay but cook me on the kind of thick the tone of where we are economically today so I’m gonna touch on this little unique interactive map that TI p strategies created and has been kind of a became becoming a buzz about the session and the visualization

Of the map click on it and hopefully show you here right well this shows the job gang in loss of top 100 metros and it actually covers 98 metros because anchor is not on the Honolulu is known there but everything else should be got it and what you’re seeing for now is the

Job gain and loss in green and red bubbles at the legend you see small bubble represent about 10,000 jobs gain and loss and then big bubble shows hundred thousand and each metropolitan area shows that for the past 12 months of a change in the quick and start and

Give your little guidance here so this starts at the end of the recession last recession we’ve had which was the IT bubble and then recovering mode that many and although most of the communities am making a recovery creating jobs you see bunch of places making hundred thousand jobs for the

Last 12 months in boone the big web bubble is the Katrina hit New Orleans they’ve lost several hundred thousand jobs and your cost a million jobs there in the region but all in all we’re doing okay except for that Detroit Three the automotive division really starting to

Get hurt they’re not really fully taking advantage of the rest of the economy but people still buying homes and cars and now you start to see in this come start of the residential bubble burst and then we’re going into financial recession and it’s really depressing but you can

Really track the job loss of the big cities the West Coast Midwest East Coast even in Texas you see the bubble if the person but now it’s starting to shrink economically we’re not in recession anymore but you start to see and then in recovery and coming choice 2011 we’re

Going back to green and towards end of it we’re starting to see some red bubbles but now we’re still recovering you can you can tell it’s not the full recovery but you can also tell that we’re not in big red anymore so that they could use but this really sets the

Tone of warrior today at the economy and wanted to kind of give you a baseline feeling of okay that’s what we are doing what we are to start the recovery of each community today let me get back to this slide okay so so that the context

Of where we are and many communities are trying to see how to recover how to create more jobs and what sounds on you’re determined to do was 3d using mission valley as economic development plan to recover and really gain more renewable economy of game or renewable technology jobs through stickler numbers

And I want Larry to touch on how it started the background of disability well thanks mitsui back in late o 7 early 08 we at San Antonio were facing a couple challenges some of those were macro economic challenges that everyone was facing some were unique to San Antonio

One was if you remember back in the spring of 08 which I think helped trigger many of the job losses recession was the price of oil shot up to about a hundred and forty dollars a barrel and and the cost per gallon went up in San Antonio which we have cheaper gas over

Four dollars per gallon that really started to hurt people we’re a very spread out city we have do not have a multimodal system and elektra public transportation and that really started to eat into people’s incomes at the same time we are facing growth issues in San

Antonio in terms of our need for power and a growing conversation was whether to invest in two new nuclear reactors which were frankly enormously expensive when you look at and then when you look out around the world and we are always trying to figure out how can send it to

Do compete in the 21st century global economy we look around we saw rapid globalization technological innovation spear sea of resources competition for for economic development and businesses as well as our own internal challenges in terms of our own population and things like that all against the backdrop of this slow-moving train wreck

That we call climate change and it became clear to us as we looked out around the world and into the future that clean technology was going to be the next really big economic sector of growth and not just because it was something that was going to include people’s lives but frankly because not

As a luxury but as a necessity and that we saw the overall business model of the 20th century which was based on consumption by the assessee turning into a new business model of sustainability in the 21st century and at the heart of that could be clean technology not just clean energy and

Renewable energy we also have water issues here biofuels and just the waste management and everything else it all comes together in clean technology and sustainability and this is a message that’s already been hurt in places like China and Brazil and Europe and all of that pregnant yeah Japan been cheap has

Been doing that for centuries ad necessity sort of Japan and Switzerland yeah because of the way there there is situate the United States we’ve always had an abundance of resources and they’ve been cheap we’ve had land we’ve had resource that’s pissing in Texas expecially in Texas but that’s not what

The 21st century is going to look like we’re already seeing so we wanted to also take an approach that brought people together and was not divisive and and when we looked around at sustainability plans of cities around the country this all great plans New York City Chicago Portland Berkeley but

They all focus first on environmental goals carbon targets memorization yeah energy water and so on savings but we wanted to focus on economic goals and create it at first an economic plan that created environmental benefits collateral benefits as opposed to creating an environmental plan with collateral economic benefits which is

How we voiced how it’s always been positioned with sustainability plans in the past and well that’s sounds simple we actually turned it on its head and it is crucial we actually brought the business community together with the environmental community here and others because who is against job creation and

Helping to position your city to compete in the 21st century global economy right and frankly when you view that and you’re very sustainability and clean technology in that way the environmental benefits will follow and you’ll actually end up think in the same place you’d be that if you focus on carbon targets and

Footprints and all that which frankly are divisive and we’ve seen what it’s done in Congress in Washington the fight over climate change things like that so we we did not even mention climate change in the plan not because we didn’t think it was an enormously important

Issue but because we knew is going to be so divisive we were going to reduce carbon footprints by creating this new economy its economic conditions that create those carbon footprints so you got the buying from the business community as well political and that environmental oh yes that’s right okay

That’s a great approach so let us breaking down to three points they cannot approach to sustainability focus on energy so this is really the key and then positions are until you to be the leader in your 21st century economy yeah that’s always a goal or you know petitions in khammam developers and

Planners as well and then create new jobs in the industry in the time of the countdown term which is the challenge everybody had and if you just focus on and if you started to focus on environmental rules and regulations and the benefits you want really create jobs

So easily and that’s been the challenge for many other places and we find a moment yes you know there’s a this quote from our current layer Hooley on Castro that you know there comes a time in the life of the city that the decisions made at that time and they come together and

It is that defining moment and the decisions made at that time for that city will decide that city’s fate for generations to come the cities have lives just like people here now and think about your own life and defining moments in your life and decisions that

Were made and and we also have life psychosis is yes and so you have to you have to understand what those moments come and then you must seize the debt in kharkov you and we saw that percentage community style so just to cut some example yeah because we as a city have

Not always done that and maybe that’s true we’re here from also talked about the San Antonio example in 1907 Tonio was the largest and wealthiest city in the state of Texas more than dallas and houston we were the center of what was then the late 19th century economy of

Texas that was creating wealth here that was one based on land and cattle we were the center of that in 1901 oil was discovered at Spindletop Texas which is near Beaumont oh I in Southeast Texas and within the next 20 years huge pools of oil correctly bubbling up to the

Surface were found in East Texas North Texas and then West Texas and enormous amounts of money started to fall out of those fields at the equivalent of today’s billionaires were created at that time the Conrad Hilton is the actual hunts and all that sort of thing

All came out of the oil fields of texts Conrad built-ins first hotel was in eastland taxes serving the oil fields oh my god yeah Austin Texas the little town about 100 miles west of Fort Worth that you drive three on the interstate and then nobody noticed that’s right and ah

Ah but you know that money flowed the Dallas in Houston and it didn’t flow to San Antonio and by 1930 we were the third largest city in the state of Texas because we did not seize that opportunity at that time right then later on as the oil boom which defined

The 20th century not just in Texas around the world cheap energy boil fossil fuels battle crashed in the 1980s and right at that time came a new economic movement information technology up IP itie itie and the place that captured that in Texas was awesome yep in the 1980s they

Created a consortium called SEMATECH um which jump-started their IT industry there which which is now you know the heart of Austin’s economic scene and it has defined it now for the past 30 years yeah at that time we decided to embrace tourism and we got SeaWorld and things

Like that the way I like to put it is that Austin got sematech we got Shamu but and now force fast forward to today you can see that the per capita income of gdp per capita income in San Antonio lags far behind austin houston dallas whereas a hundred years ago it was the

Opposite we what we were the time and it’s an example of how cities miss defining moments and when they miss those they’re particularly defined by economic terms it can be disasters like Katrina on pay is another example city had a defining moment didn’t have much choice but but most the time it’s an

Economic movement that defines the city’s future and we missed it in the 20th century we’re playing the price for that now in terms of ketchup which is Texas City to let alone nationally and internationally alright so we see clean technology as a way to change good so

Today our focus became really on that the city county and this wizard lady has been pull together to focus on this and all just to give all of you now it’s focused on energy infrastructure to building energy infrastructure clean green energy technology development sustainable buildings transportation and land use community outreach and leading

By example for the city government and really the example we touch on everything else about that and since it’s me unity and so far very successful in my eyes and me coming from a consultant dealing with cities and counties in states all of the nation this media has been unique one to learn

About so I wanted to get the opportunity this time to really go through in details not too much detail but in details of what we are talking about so first is the person ship is they build a 21st century of an energy infrastructure with distributed energy so yes tell me

About that very well in the 21st century energy longer go change from concentrated power sources large utility scale power plants to more distributed energy and the example I like to use is the analogy I like to use is that of knowledge what happened 30 40 years ago

When I was growing up as a kid if you wanted knowledge you went to a centralized source called the library yeah and or if you’re lucky if you’re home maybe had a set of encyclopedias or some kind of reference books I then along came the information technology revolution belong at the internet and

Now you all of your listening probably have something in your pocket or right next to you let alone your computer that now connects you with the information of the world and you no longer have to go to a centralized source to find that knowledge it’s now distributed right as

We’re doing this you know just the technology now that we’re having this webinar on same things can be happening with energy because more and more people going to be generating their own energy or it’s going to be more localized simply because and I’m talking about the generation of electricity as opposed to

Transportation fuels and we’re going to have more it’s all the me renewable based for the most part some natural gas in terms of fuel cells and things like that but everybody is going to be producing pretty much their own energy that’s going to create a new business model for

Utilities they’re going to be less generators and sellers of power and more of the transporters and traffic cops invalid right so from the initiative came along these action plans for the city and can you touch a little about how special the cps energy we have here

In science on you yes we have a unique asset with san antonio we have a municipally owned utility that is the largest integrated in this wield utility in the country with gas natural gas and electricity and it has over 6,000 megawatts of capacity it’s vertically integrated and it’s owned by the city so

What does the target e integrating me vertically integrated mean that it does everything from produced the power through the whole system to delivery the power to what’s powering this computer right now right so they actually create on generate the power distribute our and sell the power to consumers and that

They own the whole thing yes from the oscillation plans to the line distributing line yes to actually needles everything else that’s right very unique because not everybody has that and then it is also a large value of wind and yes they have among initially owned utilities they have the

Largest wind portfolio which is now just gone over a thousand megawatts that’s both coastal win South Texas win and it was West Texas win and now they’re starting the movie the solar in a pretty significant way although not with the not in the really large this is smart

Not doing hundreds of megawatts of solar farms their their positioning them around the city for example they started with that 16 megawatt installation we can’t use the largest solar installation Texas but when you locate it next to your city you’re not just capturing the power welling your transmission costs but

You’re also creating some economic development when you build these things and servicing right ok ok CBS has a goal of building the capacity of 1,500 megawatts they’ve already got a thousand win so they’re building out their solar there just agreed to another 30 megawatts they had issued a 400

Megawatts ORP which is probably largest in the country they pulled that to regroup on it but they will they say they’re going to reissue a large solar RP another aspect it’s not just renewable energy they have a probably one of the most aggressive energy efficiency programs in the country they

Called their step program which is it’s a equivalent of 771 megawatts that’s the equivalent of a coal plant long time we just opened up what could be our last coal plant at 750 megawatts of capacity this program is already funded through an innovative way through the City Council through the fuel adjustment fee

On the electricity bill it will cost a little over eight hundred million dollars but when you compare that for example the cost of the coal plant which cost this a little over 1.3 billion that’s in today’s dollars Wow then you can see that this makes a lot of sense

Ronnie all their also moving out on the smart grid you know the smart grid is going to be crucial to the build-out of this new energy infrastructure and so they’re rolling out 40,000 advanced meters they’ve also are going to be aggressively working in the home area network area

And they are starting to support distributed energy within the city that’s going to grow more and more to the use of plug-in hybrids advances and solar technology you know Dow Dow Chemical has a division now that’s making shingles that harvest solar energy pretty soon you’re going to be

Able to go to home depot or lowes and these solar panels recruiting on our house now and be like as early I bien we’re going to be painting solar nanotechnology paints that will capture solar power and shingles and windows and everything else you know every time you

Look around when we harvest your farm and that’s the future and this economic strategy really captures those growth future growth to really be incorporating a local economy and yes we have a we have a local nonprofit that’s dedicated to promoting so we’re solar San Antonio not many places happiness tickling Texas

And but they put together a very innovative program called bring solar home which through its innovative financing and used to the accommodation CBS rebates and federal tax incentives can lower the payback for homeowners to something like five to seven years for solar home insulation and we’re talking about monthly payments maybe are abroad

Or less yeah yeah so basically solace on to your watch with local banks and cps energy to come up with this innovative plan and it’s available to any citizen any homeowner that’s pretty good okay so second agent if we don’t end of them so I’ll we’ll pick a charity yes we need it

Ok so create a multi tech venture capital fund which has been kind of challenging I heard it is our timing was a bit off on their terms of the national economy back in late oh wait no no but the concept behind it is if you want to um support entrepreneurship you have to

You have to have sources of venture capital vehicle and study after study shows that entrepreneurship creates more jobs that and small businesses than any other area of economic development yes we’re weak on that in San Antonio and don’t have much for little indigenous venture capital money available as well as an entrepreneurial infrastructures

The idea was to create a month a multi tech venture capital fund here we had hooked up with a nationally known of a plus team in terms of fund managers out of boston’s or the Guru’s of east coast venture capital and they were fascinated with the idea of coming to San Antonio

Or making this happen but we got betrayed by the financial collapse ah for the lifetime yeah at the right time in the meantime last year Incu which is cute labs which is out of the west coast and me Reverend they specialize in medical device have come here and

Created a fund that will also help clean technology we’re also we just created a clean energy incubator here in the UK SI and and do have access through regional venture capitals so we’re we’re starting to get our speed up on entrepreneurs right so if there is an system in

Division wants you came up with an idea of what to establish a business to grow you know there is a money available and this infrastructure available for that person to get help on yes ok that’s great ok create a green job program yeah why tell important city well we were

Obviously when you look at economic development and particularly look at new economic sectors you need workers who are trained in different ways to make many of those jobs happen it could be just modifying existing worker skills or could be training for entirely new skills right one force development that’s right

Uh and that’s always a key part of economic development and mayor Castro whether one of the early things he did was create a green jobs Leadership Council which I chair and was really the precursor to the mission betting lines I think that we just created it was it was

A broad-based stakeholder group from the community we very quickly realized though this needs to be noted that we thought the idea of leading with workforce development was important to have that training but we quickly found was that locally we were training workers for jobs that didn’t exist yet

Haha and this is the dilemma when you deal with new economic sectors when you’re dealing with existing ones like nursing things like that you can project what the needs are going to be and you also know what skill sets are needed and who’s going to be the employers know

That’s right thing when you’re dealing with new economic sectors that are in part heavily dependent on government support and are in their early stages which means there’s going to be a lot of big ups and downs it’s very difficult to plan workforce development and what we found was at work force development

Didn’t clean technology at least for our area is actually a lagging indicator and that you’ve got to work to bring in the businesses create the jobs before you can really step out on workforce development otherwise you will literally end up training people for jobs that don’t make this right you ask your soup

Up people to someone that actually is what you’re doing you train people to work elsewhere that’s not a healthy for the local economy yeah right so here comes the new organization funding yeah we’ve from the green jobs Council we felt the need and recommended to the City Council the creation of a broader

Alliance that would but be a more formal organization to leave this the green jobs Council was an ad hoc group and we found that there was really there are many people dealing with various aspects of clean technology and sustained building come nobody was really focused on the mission of developing clean technology and

Developing the green economy nope drive it I don’t bring together really be more to catalyst unnecessarily leader but a catalyst of the various elements that you need in order to create a successful economic city right and you became the middle person of it I remember reading an article here you’re caught bus you’re

So frustrated that we’re funding so much and yeah nothing is getting done yeah yeah we planned we’ve been visiting we’re get plenty of vision but we lack reality and the vision was sound we were all and quite excited about it but making that transition from vision to

Action is always the heart of it right and that happens to funding department all the time yes for use the city’s become development strategies to poster development of a 21st century sustainable economy yes you to attract clean technology and use sustainability as an economic model you cannot use 20th

Century strategies anymore we thought you could actually it’s much more new us and sophisticated and because you have to understand the technology after understand these new business models then you have to understand how they can integrate it with your existing assets in your city right and then be ultimately successful in the marketplace

Right and you’re dealing with some sectors where the market is again just just being creative winners here nationally regionally or in action right it’s a lot of projection and and then there are there and you and then you have international competition we’re not just competing with Austin awesome plastic you’re competing with Beijing

Milan and saw Paula abu dhabi everywhere else so it’s you know it’s a it’s a small little so we but one thing is to get get your economic development departments and your economic development organizations at least the first thing you have to do is understand they have to target these

Areas right and we have been successful now now we need to have the sophistication and the more nuanced approaches to be able to new marketplace right and to jump stuff that we have this new tool the RFP or four hundred megawatt solar development and it’s really you know the background we need

We’re still in a last night love I’d leave global financial crisis and you know where English session and nobody’s creating jobs yet we are competing for companies to locate the cities to build meaning that you have to market so this development will create small at least

Maka a jump start on it according it’s worth noting here that cps energy is lost what they called a new energy economy what they’re trying to do is leverage their their their market presence to help not only make their core mission of creating affordable medical power but also economic

Development job creation right and this is an example day recently they announced that they were partnering with five new companies here concert is a home area network and they were based out and I say were based out of North Carolina because they’re moving their headquarters you know the fountain green

Star LG is a regional regionally based LED company that’s hooked up with Phillips and texas instruments and is actually selling nationally internationally but they’re going to be putting in 25,000 LED lights here and every life they sell to cps energy in the city they’re going to devote ten

Dollars toward education in San Antonio that’s quarter million dollars cold car USA of this is refrigerated trucks they’re going electric when they are partnering the Smith international and possibly other partners to create electric refrigerated trucks summit power is out of the west coast there they’re building are going to build a cutting-edge coal

Plant in Midland Texas igcc and they’re going to be capturing and selling over eighty five percent of the carbon dioxide that’s producing on that plan because that co2 is used has been used a long time oil fields before were covered right I think and then saw Tennyson is

Creating some offices here in and supporting education arne here through their investments here in creating solar farms so that’s an example of how we have a municipal utility you can help align those policies together to help not only meet your power needs but also to help move forward your economic

Development desires all right and this really needs the pipe company recruitment means that the hundreds and possibly know me Tom pitcher thousands of jobs added to drill core economy that’s right wonderful and easier 5dr green high-performance building code yes I don’t know about your region or city

But in San Antonio ninety percent of the electricity used your misuse for buildings right express the part of the threat and a little more than half for commercial and the rest is residential so we passed a green high-performance building code in 09 what was unique about it was that we we didn’t mandate

Energy savings of fifteen percent over the prior code but we gave builders and developers many different ways to get there I see so we didn’t mandate the way to get there and then what we also did was come partner with our water utility and cps energy to move their rebates to

Incentivize the next level so that we step our way ultimately to net zero by 2030 I never has to follow it right okay next initiative with throw the green retrofit program so that’s what you’re talking about uh yes you know it’s um when you deal with the building stock

Particularly now that the downturn ninety-seven percent of the building stocks existing right you’re replacing maybe two three percent at least that’s what we’re doing here in San Antonio archive in terms of new homes and new commercial buildings yeah over time that’s significant but clearly existing building stocks the way to go it’s very

Difficult to mandate energy savings as it because just as a mandate pre-existing building practice essentially impossible politically so we looked at different innovative ways to do that and different financial models and this slide shows else certainly weatherization is a big part of that but we’re also experimenting with small business lighting retrofitting programs

We also just introduced through the Better Buildings grant from doee significant energy audits the residences and small buildings at reduced costs along the finance and special financing that we available to them if they want to do energy efficiency measures right basically are any resident I’m good

Online with CPA or CPS Energy calm and have an audit doing a survey but having actually auditor come to the house and do it in studio rebate and you can actually apply different applications of fertilization with using coupons on this track it’s a rebate program from CPS and

If it’s a water conservation it’s anthony water system and get good service and maintain your home better and there’s no electrical or air leak or water leak any kind of a waste will be eliminated almost not very adult advil costs and that’s really helping the residents understand what

They can do to save money and in the assessment that’s very important yes you know a key aspect of sustainability is transportation and really the key to creating a sustainable 21st century transportation systems to have an integrated multimodal system and frankly San Antonio has been far behind them but

We are moving on on bus rapid transit and that that line should actually be operational next year moving on electric streetcars and in particular we’re very interested in electrification of transportation because that’s we feel is also going to be a game changer a lot of different ways and a quick analogy to

Talk about just to give you a feel for how important the electrification and transportation is in the global communist with a gas-powered engine even the hybrid gas-powered engine we all go to a gas station and we put gas in it and that gas probably came from a place

Halfway around the world possibly a place where a lot of people for the angry at us and edit and it’s and it taps into literally a multi-trillion dollar economic system that brings that gas to you in a some want economical way now when you think about the new pure

Electric vehicles like believe they are totally bypassing that entire trillion-dollar system and instead their power is coming through CPS Energy and people like it instead it’s coming through natural gas plant some coal plants nuclear renewable energy and being delivered to your homes or businesses and as the electric a shin of

Transportation system grows we feel that that’s going to have entered matic effect on the global economy and those who are not positioned well to take advantage of that are going to be those who love you and all the infrastructure is being built out anywhere in the world

And we even see that in San Antonio now it’s three x rated yet so we’ll have at least 100 vehicle charging stations throughout the city by the end of the year and we’re looking at other things sort of car share studies and bike shares and things like that Ron I’m

Creating a sustainable real estate oh yeah this is a real challenge particularly in a downturn it’s real estate based but but you have to do it and you know I don’t know how many studies I’m now seeing people talking about how the suburbs are going to be

The next slums of the you know the 21st century we had a lot of places already seen degradation and rural areas but I actually think city centers that are growing more and more and we’re looking at that in San Antonio as a city we were you know in nineteen thirty we had over

A hundred miles of electric streetcars that served an entire at that time city which was six by six miles there are six square miles we were one of the first cities in the country to dismantle Nexus 30 oh where he Texas up somewhere in Texas but should be it’s a model that’s

Happening everywhere and that has to be reversed if we’re going to be sustainable in the 21st century and we understand that and we are doing what we can to make that happen sure thing comes a lot stop sign without we wanted to talk about yeah we’ve you know a key to

Understanding this and bring it making it successful as bringing it to the community and so we one way to do this is one-stop centers both virtual and real one thing we’re doing here in San Antonio is a mission verdes Center which is a decommissioned inner city school

And we are using it for work force development in technology demonstration and growing community outreach this would be needed more and more both real and virtual centers up we’re going to be a recruit this is going to be successful people room to be able to keep up with

What’s happening on how to make it a part of their lives all right and yet the partners of that Thunder yeah this is an example of the broad-based partnerships which we do very well in san antonio and it’s really key to moving forward as you can and so here we

Have education utilities government agencies academic institutions workforce development all coming together to try to make this reality and this is important that because mission dota is an economic plan economic development plan that we already have to buying from all the partners so this was all natural

For them to really happen as a resource as well as the partnership and better improve their services and other areas and they don’t want to be wracked you know behind in that new economy even in the last one well you can’t ask the people to do all these things if you

Know all the lead but I understand so the city of San Antonio is doing that one key has been as you see in the first bullet point it just shows that energy saving you can you can create my just from energy efficiency doing some fairly simple things right but we’re doing lots

Of other things and the slide shows some of the things that are going on overall it’s it’s a it’s now established city policy to do all these things and every department in the city government you must do its part for sustainable yeah it’s amazing to see you know I have

Known many city employees of course and everybody’s green conscious because of this and then of course but they are happy to do it they understand the whole thing you know because every every phase of the city has this component you know here are driving fleet for some business

For the city you most likely drive one of the hybrid and now it’s converted to a plug-in hybrid and soon we’re going to buy a vertical course edge economy cars and that’s part of it and people everybody recycled in ladies working hard to conserve water and that’s been a

Very efficient things to see here in San Antonio being in Texas and there are many other things like bike share yeah its own I mean sitting glories of free bike share we have an ordinance that requires new city buildings to be equivalent of leed silver or better or

Better um note the fleet environmental acquisition policy not many cities do this they look at short-term gains we look at total cost of ownership because when you do that it changes the analysis of what kind of vehicles you buy as that’s one of the things like hybrids

And others start to show up it’s being heaven pages because you just compare their upfront costs compared to basic fuel costs and things like that it doesn’t always pan out it looks like you’re just it looks you’re going to have to do something because you want to

Do it as opposed to being economically efficient but again it’s how you look at it and if you look at the long-term these things make sense right so that’s the end of it and we went through somewhat quickly and into some in-depth detailed others maybe we just touched on

But I wanted to show that the depth and the comprehensiveness of mission burger here in San Antonio and I hope you guys have learned something new from links and also we hope that many city will pick up some something that they learnt and be better about making the green and

My patients thank you so much and we’ll say it questions now all right great thank you mitsui and Larry for a great presentation our first question is coming in from Raymond could you explain what an advanced meter is all right the bass meter another word is a smart meter

Right now you have mostly we just have meters that measure energy the electricity is used or natural gas and you have a thermostat and you might think it’s it’s pretty dumb system it’s a very basic system as opposed to a smart system a smart meter which is

Going to be key to this new energy infrastructure in the 21st century is a basically a two-way meter and it combines and this is why it’s smart it combines electric technology with information technology and that’s where the power of the smart grid comes in because what it because it marries the

Two and it gives enormous information that allows two way communication the utility company now can communicate with you and also understand where your energy use is as you can in fact some meters and home area networks are so smart now but they can tell you exactly

Where all the energy is being used in your home or business right now and what it’s costing because that’s going to be the key when we go to what we call time-of-use pricing right now we have in San Antonio and just about everywhere else set prices all day long and those

Haven’t risen that’s right but that’s not how the marketplace it’s constantly changing and it peak demand times that powers a lot more expensive to the wholesalers like utility companies then than it is during non-peak time saying they’ll deny so the smart meter will allow you to know where you’re spending

Your money we’re using and it will also help control it and then with smartphones and everything else you can now control everything in your home wherever you are in the world as long as you have on the internet and another thing though that it will do is allow for net metering for renewable

Energy on your home right now for example CBS energy pays a very low wholesale rate I mean it’s extremely low for solar powered fat but yes to the pack and frankly most places do that but with the smart meter you’ll be able to do net metering which means that we

Probably reach a point where you’re going to get retail prices for the power excess power that you produce your home for example so you can have a panel solar panels on your roof and in a good day for a sunny days table weather day you may produce more energy going to use

And you can sell the excess power back to the grid where that energy provider like CPS will have to pay you the links the market rate or somewhere to generate to you so that you got you actually making money on it spending money to that on and we have tiny is chrysin the

Nekkid mean when we pay about nine cents per kilowatt hours if it’s really cheap sure it’s actually but actually that cost during peak demand times in July and August in those hot summer days actually learns well over twenty cents per kilowatt ever if you can now capture of that pricing through your smart

Meters communicating with the utility company through your solar panels and get that price or something close to it that that’s going to change that financial payback for those solar panels at the same time it’s going to help the utility company deal with those peak demand turns all right any other

Questions that you have a lot more we have a couple more our next question then from David do you have any information regarding the source of financing for the home solar program and the specifics regarding homeowners application for this program yes the thing to do is to go to the solar San

Antonio dot org website right Jesus type in sauna San Antonio and the Google or Yahoo that’s just show up yeah and then they actually have a application process they’re very hands-on with them they’re trying to make it as easy for the homeowner as possible they have certain certified solar installers and they’ll

Help you get a couple different bids for you three different Vietnam they’re hooked up with the San Antonio federal credit union and a few others on the financing and they will help me with the application forms so it’s a yeah I actually got play for it a few months

Ago and here’s what happened so I went on to that website sound from your solar dot or that need and click on application and said i just mentioned okay here’s my name address phone number email address and i click i’m interested in looking at products and get estimates

And then here comes a few hours later solar times on your call me personally and that’s 40 other questions what type of solar panels do you have a budget or do you want alone from a financial institution blah blah blah i said yes to

All I was I wanted to learn for it and then two days later I got three different calls from three certified contractors and giving me already estimates because they as I released my conversion to solar San Antonio they knew my location by looking at Google Earth and they measured the loop space

In the direction of which way the actual rooftop faces and everything they gave me estimator okay you are qualified your loop is qualified for about five megawatts and it’s going to cost his kilowatt I’m sorry and this is going to cause it about thirty thousand dollars depending on the

Product to use and these are the payback and this is how you can actually fly for long and the non application help and all these things so all I have to do is fill out the application and pick which product and which financial institute institutions and then apply and go

Through just a credit system where if I’m qualified for the loan I get loan that will pay for the upfront cost and also the remade application to local bar company and a federal credit and basically I knew exactly how much after pay per month until I pay it off and

When now actually start making money if I have excess generated extra power from my roof to cps energy so that was almost like a turnkey solution to I still haven’t gotten that loan yet sadly okay so i hope that really answer the question David alright thanks our next

Question comes in from Mary what’s the communication plan for getting this direction change plan out to residents and businesses oh yeah well that’s a good question the we we’ve been working through the media and various community stakeholders in getting a message of the fact the mission burning plan was

Announced at the state of the city address given by the mayor sort of our local version of the state of union address which was sponsored by the greater chamber commerce they’re about a thousand people in the office screaming audience there was all the business and community leaders from San Antonio over

There who the real time Thunder that’s right and we announced this sustainability plan and which which was very well received maybe and and so there there has not been a formal media relations plan to do this at the Alliance we hope to create a web-based portal of information in ways for people to

Plug into this but they’re worthy is at some of the city websites but it’s been getting a lot of press locally and has now become actually a common term in terms of the leadership in both political business and community leadership it’s in this area but i have

To admit we have not made penetration among of the vast population the same time and that’s the challenge and it has yet to be met and that’s what part of alliance yes okay all right good knee yeah um well our next question comes in from stacey and so governor perry has at

How did the job creation in texas yet many of these are low paying jobs what types of jobs are being targeted by mission bird a good question yeah very good question um the we’re targeting range of jobs we would like to target higher wage jobs and that is certainly

The goal but it’s also the challenge and so we are targeting more for example concert the home area network company they’re bringing engineers and technicians this is going to be fairly advanced work both from the installation of these home networks to design and sales and marketing MIT IT we have our

University local universities community colleges and even some of the high schools are now getting more in a career pathway programs for clean technology it’s not as well organized yet as it could be but it’s certainly happening and we do want and the mayor has what is called a brain power education

Initiative that’s going to be happening and aspects of that are going to be announced because San Antonio frankly has been a low-wage city that’s been our challenge we see actually most jobs in clean technology or higher wage so as you attract these businesses in the technology we will create higher wage

Jobs just for the nature of clean technology but it’s a very good question and right now we’ll sort of take though we can get but we do want to focus more on creating the higher wage jobs mitchell eq an advocate well you know many communities getting benefits from

These venerable energy projects like the solar farms and wind farms and you know many other things and those really bring only construction jobs right but this mission verde really targeting focused on economic development brings in operations of these productions so it for example the concert or some medicine

Something isn’t is a good example because they will one day if if the market saturates enough and they can sell they can build more they will have management people here and that’s six figure salary and they have you know MBA or master’s degree and their family will

Be here and so on that it’s going to have the positive effect in a local company by having more having a concentration or not as a cluster of renewable energy companies then we’ll have a need for education of those workers and we need to have a lot more technology oriented designing jobs and

The engineering job to support those companies to manufacture blades or manufacture solar panel the manufacture batteries and manufacture or the collections in the sockets and things like that and that’s what we’re hoping to achieve and not only focus on higher-end are also low and hutchins ops 2 because we the

Effects it we do and I think one of the key words he said mitsui is closer to them than their senator day to take a comprehensive look at certain sectors focused on what makes sense for San Antonio which we actually did Commission in and oversee a opportunity analysis

For San Antonio right which focused on present vodki industries which was utility-scale energy storage energy cybersecurity solar thermal solar PV and electric ation transportation we saw these as areas that would make sense percentage of each community you’re not going to be able to do everything each community has to figure out where their

Strengths are and where their opportunities are in this new clean tech area and where you can attract those higher wage jobs that’s where we see some of the most potential that doesn’t mean they’re other other opportunities LED lighting advanced energy efficiency water technology and so on they’re all

Important you got to figure out what makes sense for you and then have a strategy to go back and make that all right great our next question comes in from Lenore is there ever a point when the average number of cloudy days for an area preclude the value of installing

Solar panels or is the energy generator from this source always a surplus for example the Northeast has far more cloudy days in Texas right well it’s certainly a factor that has to be plugged into the the financial formula to see if it makes sense we can’t weigh up some interesting phenomena Xin the

World today the country will largest solar capacity in the world is Germany Germany has the same solar capacity of southern Alaska I you know of course that’s all been driven by government incentives but they’re now leaders in the world in new jersey has more solar power capacity in Texas that and that’s

Because of their sentence but i think is it is a factor there’s no question that certain solar technologies and certain solar operations are better suited for the Mohave and arizona than they are for say mane on the other hand solar technologies it is improving all the time so that efficiencies even in more

Diffuse sunlight are going to be greater and greater and while it now currently makes more sense for places from san antonio and el paso to san diego throughout the southwest areas like that solar power will be i think factors all around and solar industry for example one of the leading solar of industrial

Centers is Toledo Ohio that’s because they went out and converted some of their old tire factories and things like that attracted First Solar and a few others you can create a cluster in industrial development even though you’re not maybe quite at the marketplace but so is for everybody but

The numbers sometimes work better in sunny of places yeah I think you can particularly target a segment of so long that I’m dissing to your area so that you have more natural will to grow that than others when we speak about soda we are really talking about diverse

Technology and you know in the Northeast solar thermal will not make sense but solar PV especially the high-end ones the ones coming out of Japan or Germany you can still use it to really take advantage and it’s more economic target than anything else oh you have to know

Which technology to bringing to polish in your area not the technology providing to be used in the area so golf industry it doesn’t really matter as long as there’s market to it so it’s more business turbines on climate-driven outside okay next question are there more questions yeah

I’m our next comes in from Joan are the school districts on board with going green if so what are they doing a slash proposing all right oh they are on board with going green the challenge we have in Texas is that their funding keeps getting cut so they they’re having

Trouble in fact the legislature just cut back on state funding for schools to balance the budget they did on the facts among other things and school kids no so green is is still a luxury with some school districts for they simply are struggling just to make the essentials

But we have some interesting things going on for example there was a bond election on your side school district which is the largest school districts in Texas and frankly whether wealthier ones and then put aside 25 million dollars and that just built and opened up a sustainability center teaching Center

For kids it’s based on agriculture but they’ve got solar geothermal they’ve got up coupons they’re there they’re also building solar cars for competition actually want a regional competition for that Wow and we’re trying to bring more of this to the inner city where it’s more challenging they are on board

They’re quite open to it but they simply don’t have the resources to bring to bear on this issue we do have some state laws that make it easier for them to go green it’s just the state didn’t give the money to do it so the answer is yes

They’re on board but we have local and regional challenges on funding right all the time there will be yet but we have a couple of our school districts that are making for example all their new school buildings are LEED certified and more and more the school districts are understanding

That it’s not just a matter of saving editing water but creating lead equivalently certified school buildings creates healthy learning environment for the kids ok great our next question is coming in from Leslie how does this correlate with sustainability it seems that all of the strategies are highly dependent on someone else’s money IE

Taxes well um that’s that’s a very good question in the end the market will drive this and so but but to get this going you have to have government support I mean that’s it’s happening all around the world it’s happening in massive ways in China some degree in

Japan question yesterday it happened to build a multi-level tomorrow well hello industry yeah it’s un– still oil industry is still heavily supported by federal and state subsidies but but the government resources are becoming more and more precious and more stretched and we’re going to have to figure out ways

To do this where the marketplace drives it and helps make it happen that’s it for example what CPS is trying to do by leveraging their market share it up necessarily spending directly on economic development they’re saying okay we need home area networks why don’t you

But it’s not just putting out an RFP for home area networks or something dare I say okay if you want our business what are you going to do for our community other than selling product and so that’s that’s a way to not to use government leverage but not rely on government

Spending to make it happen yeah I see the times of making that’s sustainable business days yet but I think yet to seeing more than in a 5 10 20 years span to see how government money helped to grow something and quite frankly you know hundreds of years ago we were burning

Oil from Wales fat and that was not sustainable we not have but it happened anyways and I think it’s going to be the same thing happening for the oil industry we used to just dig a hole and earth everywhere and shipped hundreds of miles or thousands of miles to get this

Automobile going with the gasoline that was a bad past but we had it anyway and I think that’s really similar to the transition of today we’re you know we’re trying to get rid of bad habits and going into new ones and create sustainable economy that way and it may

Not be sustainable at the beginning and we are still in the beginning of it that’s how I see that person yeah our next question comes in from gym and he would like to know are there any cancer risks associated with smart meters and I’m he’s wondering because they are

Getting I think I think he’s from Maine and they’re going to be getting them in Maine and he would like to know are there any alternatives on they s they have a gift if you want to opt out of this you have to pay a large one time

Charge and then you have higher monthly monthly charges and he’s wondering are the smart meters necessary for home energy production enabling back into the grid with excess energy and and what are the alternatives ok plus several good questions there um it’s currently being studied whether their cancer is from

Smart grids just as they’re studying with the potential cancer miss from cell phones smart phones from all that and for the most part the studies are finding it’s not an issue however we’re dealing with low-level electromagnetic fields that are probably hard to even the state of our medicine and science

Are really hard to calculate about what effect is having long-term of I on the other hand all living longer than many of should like to a simple so it’s really hard to say the other research going on for the material science that there are materials to block the EDSA called

Magnetic interference so that’s coming into computers and thyself on sun today oops sorry and then and then is it necessary for the renewable energy production well it’s not necessary but if you’re going to go to net metering and Tommy’s pricing you’re going to need meters that are combined IT with what I

Call it easy electricity technology and information technology because that’s really the only way to do it and what we’re going to have to figure out is as miss you said to put materials in there and figure out how to make these things as they’re doing now starting certainly

With cell phones and smartphones and things like that to make sure that they are saying is it going to be absolutely safe i I don’t know if we’ll ever get to that point but I think we’ll be we’ll be able to show that with the new

Technology that the risk is going to be looking just miniscule but if anything and but if it’s all moving target and but we don’t deploy smart meters and get the smart grid up and going this stuff isn’t going to happen okie pretty that’s right but yeah if you drive a cart the

Same thing I guess it can never be perfectly safe there’s always risk to you something any kind of device so out states generally safe thing to do come here to say bungee jumping or even having a some kind of a newer device in your heart or anything else that’s just

A similar technology being used in the venerians the next alright I’m so our next question comes in from Stuart how is the compatibility of wind and solar resources in San Antonio to provide steady supply of new noble renewable energy that’s a great question you know the wind in West Texas

Blows at night the wind on the coast blows during the day particularly in the summer night in South Texas and of course you only get solar power when the Sun shines we actually enter in the mayor’s office we’re actually looking at this we use a data from National

Renewable Energy labs and do e to calculate the compatibility of wind and solar particularly out in West Texas and what we found was you could cover sixty percent of your energy needs through the combination of wind solar plants and West Texas then we add in coastal wind

And all that you can actually get a pretty good profile of coverage it’s until we get energy storage they can dispatch it as needed it will never be truly dispatchable energy as with now we have cold nuclear natural gas and that’s one of the main things holding back

Utility scale renewable energy but you will be able to build portfolios that will get you through peak demand times and other times when you need it let me give you the example in this winter we had a for us a very very significant cold snap I think losing fat or yeah and

This past februari and it shut down several of our natural gas plants because that they lost pressure because the temperature was so low they hadn’t insulated the pipes because if they did those plants would burn up in the summer so so those plants went down then they

Had some coal plants that were offline and all of a sudden bear caught which is our grid system in fact were unique in that way when looking at a total failure but it happened that they’re this cold front that was coming through and creativeness temperatures was actually creating a lot of wind and

They were had wind gusts on West Texas and we have almost 100 it’s 10,000 megawatts of wind out there we have more than any other state in the country and that wind actually saved us from our grid crashing and now they’re looking at

A solar as not so much as a as a power generator but it’s a peak demand shade the same by using an impede the man to to you know sort of so to shave those Peaks off the top of those grids so that you can get through and that’s becoming

More important because frankly it’s just getting harder honor here and we’re using one morning yes and we have more people so that the peak the highest demand time of the day the users can be shaped meaning that we can use hottest fit on in Texas hottest day of the

Summer that’s when we have the most usage of electricity and that’s when the sort of panels can be walking and generating electricity for us so that’s how that peak is shaped in that way and there’s one last idea Yogi’s working on it is announced is to combine your solar

Your wind and then peaking units with natural gas and when you combine all three of those you can get the spatula energy even though the majority of your powers renewable the question is whether that’s financially viable in your current grid system and competitive pricing but we have the technology now

Without energy storage to use mostly renewable energy and make it dispatchable a higher percent of the time if we add in some like natural gas but we’re not quite there in terms of pricing and we’re going to need that energy storage technology and make it happen so it’s those as long as fatigue

Targets we have hearings on from your lipid valuation method yes right is it I love question we have my people minutes right yeah I think we’ll do this will be our last question on what condition comes in from sherry what conditions would compel a municipality to advocate and incentivize geothermal as a

Renewable energy source / solar or wind ah another really question um dia thermal ism when you can actually make it work is it is a great source of renewable energy because go back to the last question geothermal interviews 24-7 those the largest are over in Northern California around santa rosa i think and

There are a couple geothermal plants that are over a couple hundred megawatts and they produce 24-7 we actually have a lot of geothermal energy potential in through south in these texts because it turns out that there is not quite water as hot steam is hot as that in santa

Rosa but approaching actually dia we did some studies along the coast here back in the 70s when Jimmy Carter was still president and they were looking at these things we went through our last oil crisis but actually that technology will work and what and there’s a geothermal

Center and smu that’s studying this you can get a megawatt of power from each abandon oil well in South Texas and their 18,000 over 18,000 abandoned or else already drilled in through South Texas alone you’re talking about we use as put that in perspective CBS energy as

It has a total portfolio of 6,000 megawatts we have peaked them in about forty five hundred megawatts you can tap into that geothermal power that would be a game changer if you could do it in a financially viable way so to answer your question you have to figure out whether you’re

You’re in an area that has geothermal potential not every place is in fact most of the country is not we happen to be close to one and this that’s actually been mapped out you can actually go on the do a website and see the geothermal potential around the country and in your

Area if you’re in a significant geothermal area then that does have the potential to meet your needs but then you get into questions about whether anybody’s really figured out a financially viable way through a successful business model to do it frankly that’s that’s ongoing now trying to figure that out right its traditional

Challenges and all these other challenges and of course the newer technologies of geothermal that really adds more to the vessel homes and small office buildings where it’s distributed your thermal my youth deep somewhat the stable temperature in the growth surface of the ground well those are I understood your question to be empowered

You an array OMG is herbal that’s right here you had you refer to another aspect of G of normal which is he comes exactly which are the which are alternatives to air conditioner or is a source of calibrated right by having Leah caught on to the market yet and that’s in there

Are a few places in san antonio they’ve done that and CBS is looking to whether that can be expanded but we still have challenges in terms of the amount of land that’s needed to put energy if i’m a heat pump system and the upfront costs okay great well thank you so much mitsui

And Larry for a fantastic session I think everybody really enjoyed it and so for those of you who are still in attendance I’m going to go through just a few reminders in just just a moment alright so first off to log your CM credits for attending today’s webcast

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