Title:استفاده از حمل و نقل برای بازیابی سبز و راه رسیدن به COP26 (تبدیل حمل و نقل ۲۰۲۱)

ارائه شده توسط وزارت زیرساخت و مدیریت آب، هلند در ۳ فوریه ۲۰۲۱ مجری: Mariette van Empel، مدیر، تحرک پایدار، وزارت زیرساخت و مدیریت آب، هلند سخنرانان: Binyam Reja، مدیر جهانی حمل و نقل، بانک جهانی الن گرینبرگ ، معاون مدیر بخش حمل و نقل کالیفرنیا پائولو هومانس، معاون توسعه تجارت و تحرک جدید، استفانی ادواردز گروه PTV، رئیس استراتژی و پروژه های بین المللی تغییر آب و هوا، بخش تجارت، استراتژی انرژی و صنعتی، بریتانیا

قسمتي از متن فيلم: Good afternoon everybody but um let me start to introduce you to to the different people i am marietta van empel i’m the director of sustainable mobility of the ministry of infrastructure and transport of the netherlands and also co-chair of the tda the transport decolonization alliance um with the gerex minister stinky van weltover

Whom some of you maybe have seen in the opening session today and so welcome everybody on this session on leveraging transport for green recovery and the road to cop26 and most welcome to my panelist with whom i will introduce later on so um this session we will explore

How transport is essential to green uh economic recovery and it follows the special the plenary session and still try some insights already in green recovery action that support meeting climate health and equity needs so this is important as we approach also cop 26 and countries can use this moment to raise climate condition

Um wri was commissioned by the tda to the directly enforce my minister as a chair to prepare white paper on these key actions and this paper will be released soon so in addressing also the economic pain caused by the the coffee pandemic governments are taking action and many are investing in transport

With npc debt funds to rebuild the economy as they said building back better and sustainable mobility is essential to this green recovery investing in public transport and active mobility boosting electrification stronger in the city race systems and investments in research and development creates jobs and rusty this morning showed us that the research

At c40 that the investment is sustainable mobility creates almost 52 million of jobs around the world so that’s incredible and last december the tk organized the on route to cop 26 event on driving action for zero asian transport and one of the key takeaways of capital economic recovery

With raised ambition in the cop 26 agenda so it’s no small task to decarbonize this sector and will need a comprehensive approach with countries cities and companies the three c’s from the tda and all contributing towards this end so accelerating action is key and with that and forward to the perspectives in this

Panel representing these key actors uh country government finance and and i wish to introduce our panel and maybe because we are in panel with three of the four people already may i ask you to introduce yourself and ask maybe the question about your contribution to sustainable mobility

So can i start with you paul of course so my name is okay yeah you can hear me hi my name is paolo manas and i’m the vice president responsible for business development and new mobility at the pftv group ptv is a private company so one of the

The cs um and we are the world market leader leader in software for traffic mobility so we plan and optimize everything that moves people and goods worldwide we do that in 128 countries around the world and about uh 4 000 cities around the world use our software

On a daily basis to to optimize their the traffic and so for us it’s important to understand how the mobility ecosystem works and how we can we can contribute to that we also have a part on logistics and just a direct easy to understand contribution we optimize over a million trucks in

Europe alone with their daily routes and as a consequence of debt optimization we save every single day 30 000 tons of co2 in that process impressive thank you very much then um over to ellen greenberg good morning because i think it’s still morning california it is morning here good morning and

Thanks to everyone who has joined us and thanks to the organizers of this morning’s panel um i am the deputy director for sustainability at the california reputation the state of california is a tda member so we’re not one of the three c’s but we’re very happy

And proud to belong to the tda my organization the department of transportation has a staff of 22 000 people and we are the owner operators of the california state highway system so 50 approximately 55 000 lane miles of highways we’re also involved very closely involved in planning in funding activities relating to transit

And an increased level of engagement around active transportation and emerging technologies and we work very closely across state government with the california air resources board of the california energy commission that have key roles in the decarbonization efforts that were mentioned by mariette okay very nice to have you here ellen thank you stephanie

Hi everyone my name is stephanie edwards uh dialing in today from the uk cop 26 team um so i lead on uk’s uh cop 26 work on sectoral cooperation so an effort uh you know the uk is taking as incoming cop president to bring together the right groups of countries to make progress

On uh sectoral climate change decarbonization and ensuring the transition to net zero economies is quicker easier and cheaper for everyone and so within my team um we need our cop364 on the transition to direction vehicles which um i’m sure we’ll come on to talk about later today

Um and in a previous life uh i led on the uk’s um strategy for the transition to zero mission vehicles domestically and used to work in our uk department of transport so have a good sense of the wider transport ecosystem so really excited to be here today thank

You perfect thank you for having us having you so um ben and welcome to this panel and um you came in a little bit later but i asked to to introduce the members of the panel themselves and ask you what’s your contribution to sustainable abilities so please go ahead

And then we lost him again i’ll wait maybe some moments if he’s coming in again and if not we just start and um maybe i can just start with you stephanie to ask you some questions the uk has submitted recently it’s ndc target with a goal to reach a 68

Emission reduction by 2030 and and that’s zero by 2050 and can you tell us about the plans of the uk how they are linking the race climate admission and the green recovery yeah great thank you um so i think it’s really striking how different the conversation is

In 2021 the conversations that i’m in internally from the conversations even two or three years ago about the link between um growth and climate and i think um you know certainly a few years ago i think there was a lot more of an emphasis on this trade-off that i did

That there is the trade-off between the two and i think now i’m very glad to say that i think we’ve developed the conversation towards seeing that there is no sustainable growth um without transition to a net zero economy um that is the message reflected very clearly by

The uk prime minister and also i would say an increasing number of governments across the world as well so um you know it’s i think more than 60 of global gdp is now covered by a net zero target which is you know seemed almost unimaginable um five years ago

So it’s from the transport sector perspective it feels really fundamental um from where we sit that you know modal shift in getting people out of individual cars and bands of vehicles and into public transport into active um you know methods of transport like cycling and walking

Um and we are investing in the uk tens of billions of pounds at the moment in enhancements of the rail network city public transport and buses um and i think that’s you know a big cultural shift that has to happen here in the uk i think uh elsewhere around the world

Um that that cultural shift is further ahead than probably we are in some areas um but i suppose the area where um i can speak perhaps in more detail is around focusing in on the fact that there will still be cars on the road in 2040 2050 of some sort

Um others a better place to say whether they’ll be autonomous and shared and connected and i’m sure lots of other advancements as well but we at least know they need to be zero emission and um there need to be zero emission as soon as uh possible and as quickly as possible um

And looking at from a cop 36 and uk climate change perspective about a third of uk emissions are from transport alone and about 90 percent from just cars um so are you are you for also for the cop 26 are you planning to do something about that yeah of course so

Maybe i can start with what we’re doing in the uk and then you know talk a bit more about how that fits into the wider picture i think that’s a great question so um you know the uk recently announced a commitment to 100 uh new zero-emission car sales

Being zero mission by 2035 and a commitment to phase out non-electrified vehicles uh or non-zero emission vehicles by 2030 and so we’d be really clear on the outcome we want to get to and there’s a whole host of a multi-billion pound package to help get there

But actually i think you know we know in the uk and working with partners through the tda and other forums that there’s a limit to how green our recovery from the current kobe crisis can be without other countries and other regions globally moving and transitioning towards their emission vehicles as well

And it’s kind of at the center of our cop26 presidency is this idea that you know will make the transition quicker easier and cheaper if we uh work together so here’s where i think that’s where i think the real opportunity is for building back better is working together

And collaborating so the cop 26 uh specifically um we are we have set up this what we call the zeb’s transition councils this is uh made up of representatives from more than half the global car market um to talk about measures that we can take together to accelerate the transition

And tackle some of the shared barriers as well um because it’s clear that the changes needed a deep systemic structural um and you know action is needed from governments globally to help us back on track to meet our parents goals and go more quickly than we are

At the moment um yeah maybe i’ll pause there and open up the discussion but that’s a quick run-through of uh yeah how the ukc’s great thank you very much great to hear um every time i’m just trying to give benjamin the word he he is away again so um let’s try uh paolo

Um um you’re your ptv group how how are you thinking oh it has been young let me try sorry paul let me try binyam hello binyam can you hear me can you hear me billion no okay paolo um the question for you you’re your ptv group are you thinking about how it

It can support a new and and better way of doing things coming out of this global pandemic and and economic snow yeah absolutely and uh it has been uh from from our point of view uh a unique global experience as well um it has not all been

Negative there are some things that we were able to to move forward um we had a unique experience where we for instance had cities working really focusing on the urban logistics part and not having overall traffic causing delays or uh causing issues in the logistics part and that that was

Very impressive and it’s it’s a very important uh experiment i think that we will do because we realize how important and how urban logistics can for instance very quickly uh adapt to a new situation if uh if things are a certain way and uh you know the the same with supply chain

Supply chains were able to react very quickly to the changes yes there was the famous uh toilet paper shortages but very quickly we realized worldwide that we were able to balance things so it was not all negative and the other thing that i also have to say that i found very interesting

Is that the way that the transportation industry per se has adapted to it because overnight we had to have social distancing new rules hygiene rules it was quite difficult to adapt and everybody was able to adapt very very very quickly and for me one of the most impressive things that uh

That i’ve seen also how um for instance bus companies were changing um and yes they were being affected but also the reduction in demand on certain routes also enables some companies around the world to create other opportunities and to fulfill some of the gaps that we had in public transport

And to serve more and i i see quite a lot of of cities it’s not unusual to have growth in terms of the coverage and the use of the public transport network for instance about 10 percent so it’s yes it’s less possible but they can get

More roots they can do more things and i think that’s that’s very important and we still we saw even in the uk and the acceleration of some of the new mobility means like kick scooters or bike sharing all this has has was very interesting and and we saw companies working together

Closely in terms of fulfilling each other and understanding the synergy between them so it became also very much a cooperative environment that really stimulated the the interaction between the innovative the three c’s that we talked about the uh in the decarbonizing alliance that that we’re trying to do but especially between

Government being local central and some of the private companies and um and yeah we were able to see that that change and how that that was able to take place yeah okay thank you sorry i popped out a short while but they did hear you so

Um your group has also been an active company and supporting sustainable ability like we’ve talked uh each other uh before also on on the public transport and the mobility and and road safety came also from your experience uh tell us how can we connect those things like safety health creating jobs actually

I believe that they are already connected um the challenge is is to really understand how they they are in what way they are correct connected and by how much and and how to make the most out of it and that that’s the challenge that

That we as a company also have is to try to to help understand the whole process that’s why our software is used for for that that purpose exactly to to ensure that you get the most of it and that uh cities and governments and so on can understand

And extract uh the most out of it because i i see a lot of uh solutions to problems sometimes come from really unexpected situations and and sometimes you don’t understand i have a an underductal evidence um my hometown of lisbon um there was a lot of issues about

People walking and that people wouldn’t like to walk and in the end we found out that the solution to the problem it was really a logistics program and the reason why this was is because people did not like to walk on cobblestones then we made an analysis to find out

Where this problem was and then coincidentally we found out that mainly in bars and restaurants this was where this was taking place so the first thought was yeah people like to drink they like to enjoy themselves but then they realized that the damage was taking place at the same place and

Then we realized that that damage was caused by trucks not being able to to have a place to to load and unload for for restaurants and basically they were putting two wheels on the pavement which was never load bearing for those weights and causing the damage then then caused

The issue about the pedestrians so it’s not that necessarily there’s a direct link to one thing to the other and it’s really understanding that ecosystem um that’s what makes the the value and it’s a value of understanding and not just having data you know we saw it during the pandemic that everybody was

Had had big data yeah but they didn’t have the right data to make some of the analysis so it’s that balance wonderful example of of the balance that uh explaining and and that’s really where where everything comes comes together and i i just wanted to say that

And that’s where i really feel that um and sorry to talk about the three c’s again but the pandemic helped us in a way to better understand each other and to find better ways of communication and of sharing experiences and helping each other and i know the

You know the cities and governments have wonderful people but companies also have uh wonderful people and and they are not always um just looking at the profitability point of view yes it’s an important factor of course but there are elements where they can work together and they can help each other

And that includes um cities and governments and and that’s really the collaborative sorry i can’t reemphasize about the collaborative nature of what we’re trying to do but that’s really important and that’s to me is the key to this to this whole process yes thank you very much paulo it’s very

Nice to hear you uh and stress is this importance of cities companies and countries and and as a active member of the transport decarbonization alliance and that’s very nice to hear then um let’s go to to ellen um not exactly from the c three c’s like you already said but very

And even also very important national level uh situation from uh from the california state um can you um do you see also these these importance of collaboration with the companies um in in your state and in california and can you also uh a bit more about how california who is always

In front a front runner in our view in the in the united states how you can encourage to to get more sustainable mobility uh yes thank you so um certainly with regard to collaboration um the necessity of continuing collaboration between governmental entities as well as between the public and private sector

You know is a key part of the entire transition um i i do want to just note with regard to the pandemic so in conversations about impacts on mobility i’ve been using the phrase this is an unwelcome natural experiment so we are seeing you know many many changes

People are i think catching glimmers of some positive in this such as increased cycling and walking in some locations though not all um but you know i try to caution that all of these changes that we’re seeing of course are are married to uh catastrophic uh in other ways

So we have the challenge right of finding the the path to making the positive bit sticky as it were um and i think with regard to the the equity uh and the the i would say that adverse distribution of impacts on lower income communities and communities of color

Um very much reflecting uh societal factors that have been in place and have been in some cases exacerbated by the transportation system so we’ve really in the state of california been trying to address this set of issues as we look at the decarbonization challenge so i’ll point in particular to several moves by

Uh governor newsom a series of executive orders and i will post in the chat a link if folks would like to make reference to these one specifically addresses the way that we use our transportation funding in california 40 percent of our greenhouse gas emissions are connected with tailpipe emissions another 10

Associated with refinery activity and related industrial activities so we have to bring down emissions from the transportation sector and that’s front and center so one aspect of that is trying to move us away from our world famous dependence on the automobile in california and that is the issue that governor newsom

Was addressing his executive order in 1919 that looks at 5 billion in annual transportation spending and asks how we can redirect that spending from existing revenue streams in order uh to support that transition uh in several other executive orders particularly n7920 i’m sure many folks in the audience are aware

That’s where the governor set fourth state policy that by 2035 we will eliminate two sales of internal combustion engine light duty vehicles the executive order also addresses a medium and heavy vehicles and off-road equipment and just one last thing i’ll mention that is a different angle um is that we’re addressing the

Issue of nature-based solutions to our climate challenges and that’s receiving increasing focus in the state um both because of the value of natural and working lands in carbon sequestration and to protect our our forest resources our agricultural resources and then from a transportation and mobility point of view we’re increasingly interested in looking

At how we can use land preservation to shape urban form in a way that then influences travel patterns and vmt or vkt um so lots going on there and there will be more emerging as we work obviously with the new federal administration okay great to hear thank you um

Ben binyam can you hear me i can hear you great no problem we nice to have you with us uh maybe um would you like to introduce yourself and maybe you can also elaborate a little bit about because alan said investments are very important and you from the world bank maybe you

Can can um tell us something about how can we steer the investments and identify investment needs towards green and incredible recovery through sustainable transport okay thank you very much mariette and uh thanks uh in the panel and uh all the speakers around i mean all the

Participants so my name is uh ben raja i’m with the world bank i’m the global practice manager for transport um i’ve just assumed that road in november uh i’m actually currently based in beijing where i’ve been here for several years normally we turn our central asia mongolia transport program

So i will be moving to dc very shortly so that’s my work background uh i think for the person that he asked marianne and what ellen just said that i have the need for investment to be steered force with transport this is exactly i think the opportunity of what we have now

In the post-corporate world what we’re seeing in our client countries as well as many other countries and around the world they’re using the corvette as an opportunity to kick-start their economy or a stimulus program and transport is figuring quite heavily in those programs so we have that opportunity but at the same time

We also have seen quite a lot of trends pretty pandemic that were quite encouraging in terms of digitalization in terms of thinking about mobility more broadly thinking about compact cities and integrating mobility with urban planning unfortunately we’re also seeing not so good trends in terms of the traveling behavior

Of individuals running over for public transport and other not so good type of mobility patterns like increase any kind of car sales are increasing for example in many countries so what we are now trying to do is using this new investment program that we are supporting to

The countries in the stimulus program to do a few things one is to use the students we’re going to make it quite large and quite transformatively so that uh you know if you think only in a smaller scale uh you’re just only thinking about investments in transport only for short-term goals

Of criminal jobs for example which is extremely important today but plenty of euros value also to achieve long-term goals so we’re trying to mix the stimulus program with the long-term goals of the countries for actually improving mobility we know that from the 2008 2009 um stimulus program those systems started

Actually in the long-term view had a much more uh impact much more transformational impact than the ones like this did um only maintenance of highways for example just to create jobs and to put it back so it’s not to say that jobs are important the jobs are exceedingly important

But think about uh investment the good thing is that many countries you have all the shell some really good projects maybe not so good as well so you want to believe that not so good ones but cannot be you know these countries haven’t been selling either in a

And even from the republic they have been trying out for trending to support those kind of projects so we can accelerate those and these are what we are doing so i think uh thinking again mixing stimulus with long-term goals is what we are looking at okay thank you very

Very very much um maybe question for you for stephanie if if you as uh preparing for the cop 26 but also as a country um what would you like to ask from for example paulo um as a as a company uh for getting a jump start towards zero emission in 2050.

Yeah gary thanks and really interesting insights from the rest of the panel as well so thank you um so the first and slightly cheeky intervention i would make is that we currently have our expressions of interest process open so if anyone on listening into this call or on the

Panel would like to come to cop26 and exhibit um you know their their work on transport and you know some of the excellent efforts towards decarbonisation now proposal and um we would love to you know consider that as part of our wider coptics planning so it’s a very specific ask

There from everyone in this call um and i can share the link in the chat as well um but from a more kind of conceptual broader point of view is when we you know think of the challenge of transport decarbonization i often think of kind of three layers of action so

Um there’s what needs to happen internationally to enable uh you know transport decarbonization the ground so that’s bringing down the cost of particular technologies maybe it’s changing societal norms in the way that we think about transport internationally and and ourselves then there’s the kind of more local end which is about finding

Solutions that work in a particular locale and for particular people and particularly transport needs and i think there it’s a you know at all levels it’s of course a combination of government businesses civil society and others um but i think you know what paulo said about

The example from lisbon and you know how local and specific that kind of insight is i think that’s exactly the kind of granularity and um uh kind of richness of the collaboration that needs to happen and i think um our challenge as cop 26th president is to

Be able to spotlight some of the best examples of that happening on the ground for others to learn from and you know to share and experience what you know some of that rich data that um paulo mentioned looks like in practice and our collaborations have worked uh locally and specifically but i think

We also have a special responsibility as pop president to make sure that that you know big international picture of how affordable these technologies how readily available are they so for instance in the instance of zero emission vehicles how you know can you know how are we making sure that the

Transition truly is global that people can afford these vehicles and that we are putting in place the right international table infrastructure to even enable um you know those more local solutions so i think it’s a combination of bottom-up and uh you know top-down and somewhere in the middle as well of probably

Sharing best practice and um thinking of this is a collective problem because ultimately i think it is yeah i think also ellen you i think you you want to answer on the and and give a reaction to stephanie if i am i’m right uh i actually was noting some of the questions in

The chat i think i made some some great points and i um you know i know there are others in the state administration uh for the meetings and we’re looking forward to participating so no okay yeah okay so then i saw you look on screen so i thought you wanted

To yeah but maybe i can ask you a question from hilda martinez she she asked you a question about some studies who have been done lately and to a certain point it is i think 25 percent hilda is mentioning uh is the reduction should come from you

Is reducing vmt and could you expand and how california is planning to do that sure thank you and thanks for the question um so the state has a plan to meet our climate change goals it is the climate change scoping plan that’s prepared by the california air resources board

And uh it’s based on our statewide mobile source strategy so there have been three key areas of mobile source of the mobile source strategy three key areas of state activity and the first is vehicles and fuels sorry i’m missing uh the first is vehicles the second is fuel efficiency

The third is uh reducing vehicle miles traveled my own career has been very much focused around the issue of reducing vehicle miles traveled or the kt as many of you would say i’m an urban planner my work for several decades has been focused on trying to create places that operate efficiently and

Support people using active modes and transit as well as more efficient uh use of the automobile so that great interest of mine it has been extremely difficult to move the needle on this we’ve had some periods particularly post uh 2008 recession where we saw drops in bmt we saw a postponement of driver’s

License acquisition by young people we saw some other very favorable trends then we saw some backsliding so we continue to move forward in supporting uh development styles that are friendlier to efficient travel and active travel we are very much interested in converting the way we fund and pay for

Our transportation facilities so that there are price signals that encourage the use of higher occupancy vehicles as well as you know move people towards uh active transportation but this is a huge it’s a huge lift we are actively working on it as our partners um and i think it’s essential for

The health of californians uh the sedentary lifestyles that people experience have extremely adverse health consequences uh you know along with the issue obviously of air pollution and other uh you know particulate matter uh pollution associated with the level of um vehicle use that we have currently so we’re working on it

Um and there are strategies this investment strategy that i talked about earlier is a big piece of it the state is greatly increasing our investment in cycling and pedestrian infrastructure we’re seeing increases in agencies deciding to reallocate road space i do want to want to mention on cycling um

You know particularly because we’re talking also about equity and about just transition you know the infrastructure is just one piece um another piece is do people own bicycles you know do people have access to e-bikes which i think can really be transformative for example um in the states the trip to high school

I alan just stopped um but i think the point she made about the the importance of the possession of a bike i completely underline i heard somebody once say would it be possible to give every child instead of a book or a laptop or bicycle and i think that might be a very

Interesting plan to see if we can support all over the world to give children the access to a bike but maybe can because you said also about something about promoting active mobility i actually this is really important topic uh both from the mobility contractor but also for another supply chain

For industrial support to be bikes and e-bikes two scooters and two scooters are so i think i in a development sense if we think of mobility as a supply chain system as a bigger agenda then we can work on this so producing my skills in developing countries

Will be cheaper we’ll create jobs and we’ll also provide mobility to the countries so we should certainly include that i don’t know about giving it free to every child most countries probably can’t afford that but at least if we can help them produce a lot it will be much simpler yeah so maybe

That’s kind of uh crowdfunding actually we can do for the cop26 but let’s see if we can uh conceive to something of that um maybe can you also tell us something a little bit more ben even about your ambition your main ambition for prop 26 from um the investment of green recovery

And green investments so we’re working with partners in the development space in this bilaterals government will one of the key buyers so what we’re saying is let’s look at what are the kind of investments and policy changes countries need to make into moving to carbon control and no carbon uh mobility systems

So we’re identifying a few areas where we can actually do a deep dive to more analytical work and identify investment programs policy choices uh that countries can take and then have a number of conversation with all the stakeholders after cop26 and then on half country six also prevent this as a

Way of doing so basically um let’s look at you know what are the the way you can shift what are the instruments that you need to shift driving to public transport or to active mobility what investments do you need or what policy requires you to support them how can you electrify the

Transport system while also at the same time cleaning the source of power and what would it take what are the investment and the policies that are going to be needed uh and also thinking also about compact city how can you really reduce the need to travel how can you avoid them

Without really it was unnecessary investment so there’s quite a bit of i think analytical war that we will be doing and this will import the decision makers in addition also uh we are also looking at helping countries to do prioritize their investment program and to do more feasibility study as we do

Transport programs so that it actually takes into account as well so the carbonization of transport is really nice to say uh our main driver moving forward because we see that as a very good providing organization and connectivity so we focus on mobility and access and connectivity in our transported

Learning and business but we want to also de-cardinalize that as we move forward as we try to provide inclusive and safe mobility but it would be worthwhile so you only see i think quite a lot of unlimited work uh coming out of our uh and hopefully we will

Partner with many of you to remember on this program thank you thank you very much um if you hear all this um what do you think as a company do you see opportunities and and what do you want from for example from staff um or in in cop26

Yeah there’s uh there’s quite a lot that uh that uh that we see and that we we we would like to to to change but i i think we are already going in the right way um so it’s not that there’s measures that i think that we need to

To do but of course that uh in mobility uh the way that the new um mobility if you want has come in has been sometimes not necessarily held in the best way there’s been a lot of conflicts between private and public entities in government at various levels and

There’s an element where we need to be better at that discussion and i think there’s some good examples of how that has taken place and and of course again on the leverage of the pandemic i think that we all want to see a more sustainable mobility

And we want to see a mobility that is permanently that way not temporarily this way and the goal i can see that everybody is trying to get is all these pop-up type bike lanes all these temporary measures all these things they need to become permanent the fact that we now realize

That working from home works and it’s a good way to reduce uh the issues that we have and it might be that a lot of the issues that we have um will change but one of the things that is very important also from from my point of view

And we can’t talk everything here is about the infrastructure what do we do with the infrastructure do we just accept what we have and adapt everything towards it or do we still need to invest in infrastructure and and to be honest i i don’t know the the answer

Now but it’s something that that will come and there’s there’s a lot that that has to to change and there’s a lot to that will move forward and it’s very important to have a clear and in a way visionary leadership in terms of where each city each country

Each region where do they want to go and i think that all of them now we cannot talk to say that the carbonization and safe and resilient mobility is is a separation oh it’s core of everything that we’re trying to to do and achieve and that’s what i really would like is

To see um a better understanding on how things are interconnected and how we can tackle them uh in in one way a good example um we were talking today earlier on we were talking about how it’s so unsafe uh to have cars from the first world going into the second world

But they also are the cars that also bring the pollution uh to to the developing world so they are connected and we don’t necessarily connect them all the time and and i believe that some measures are quite easy straightforward and sometimes they they are not understood they are not

Necessarily clear but i think with time we’re seeing that this is becoming clear and that cities need to change we need to evolve in a different way that society will will change and we need to to to go with it but in a proactive way and not in a reactive way

And that’s what i would like to see at cop is this um change of mindset in terms of how we move forward yeah exactly and i see not also but i uh you’re back again we finished and and having a bite for every child plan but uh um

Maybe on on on this idea i i think the the urban planning is also one of the key elements which was also mentioned in the in the opening uh plenary in in california you don’t have really a spatial problem like in the netherlands but um how are you going around with urban

Planning and also the the the views on on sustainable and active mobility so i would say you know in california that from my perspective the single biggest uh urban planning issue is housing affordability and a very very drastic shortfall in our housing production relative to need

And this is a distortion in the market that makes people live far from their jobs that creates hardship for many many really um threatens the state as a as an attractor of people as a supporter of healthy households and communities and it’s a big focus of the administration

All of our land use authority our permitting authority is local with very minor exceptions so there are a lot of challenges with stimulating that increased level of housing production but it is you know a very essential issue as it is in other particularly coastal cities across across the country

So that’s a key issue there the act of transportation um i think it has a huge amount of support from many local organizations and i want to credit the engagement of ngos and the emergence of the entire community of ngos engaged in the sustainable and active transportation area as well as the environmental

Justice area you know these groups are working closely with us and it is it’s a really really beneficial um to have that activity so i’d say we’re we’re seeing more progress on that infrastructure side we’re working very diligently on the safety side safety is my department’s top priority it’s really key uh

Is one of the factors influencing people’s mood choice um the other just just one quick perspective you know one of the things we’re seeing during pandemic is that working from home does not mean not driving and uh there’s some very interesting pre-pandemic research on telework there’s some international research actually

That has shown across countries uh in some instances actually an increase in bmt associated with people who are working remotely because they’re home they have a car they have more discretion they want to get out so one thing that i’ve been trying to focus on as we talk about transit everyone’s expressed their

Support for supporting transit’s recovery is that we actually particularly in the us um i think there’s an under appreciation for the fact that transit ridership suppresses driving if you’re a transit commuter you can’t drive all day and not only are you away from your vehicle all day but

In many many cases the transit work destination is a place where you can then accomplish personal business and enjoy yourself as part of the day when you have taken transit to a location where services amenities are available so there’s this huge effect of actually suppressing trip making that i think

Maybe we don’t appreciate enough it’s not just the commute trip that is transferred to transit but lots of other tricks that become active transportation or a short trip that we we are losing alan but actually back again i don’t think so um but what ellen said was i think very

Important that with the pandemic working from home doesn’t mean there’s less driving and and also creating the um the inequality i think in in the world by having some people actually increase their movements and other ones who can’t because the public transport is used less and less um there was also

A question i saw um for uh you stephanie about how is england the uk going beyond electrification what’s the role of the active mobility in the uk’s recovery and long-term climate agenda and what can be done at the national level yeah it’s a great question um i occur a

Lot of the themes that have been raised already um so our independent advisors uh for climate change the uk committee on climate change actually i think their most recent report said um there’ll have to be a reduction in the use of cars by about i think i’m going to get

The figure wrong but i think it was about 20 by 2030 if we’re to meet um our our ndc goals um which which is pretty pretty big um and i think all of the the work that has been mentioned already so investing in um public transport networks um

And investing in planning thinking about how do we make um new parts of our cities and towns uh cycling walking first and cars later um i just reflected my own experience living in london during the pandemic and there was a big push by the mayor in london

To put in place bike lanes and um close up some roads to be pedestrian and bike only and i think there’s actually been some instances where that’s proved to be controversial um uh you know people have knocked down the barriers that were put in place there’s been a debate

In just the city alone about what the right balance is there so i think um you know we are a society like many others built built around cars and i think that transition not just from a policy perspective but also from a social perspective about how do we change our relationship

With cars and how do you make it easy for people to as you say have a bike from birth or um wherever whatever it is but change the relationship and expectation of of travel i think is a really interesting question that um you know we certainly um look forward

To at cop36 and in other forums learning from the experiences of different cities and governments across the world as well yeah great thank you very much so um let i try to uh my conclusions might be too much but some know which i’ve heard and um for one i think change is happening

And as stephanie was also telling us um we can speed up by experiments and also brave politicians um so i think it’s really necessary that um if we want to have this change permanent um and sustainable we uh we need leadership and um by connecting those dots which we have heard

In in this in this meeting um we might step up this um this this change and for me i think the key is also um to scale up investments and that we all have to do our part in this systemic uh transition and um i think as the netherlands and as

The tda the transport decomposition alliance i think as ben says let’s take a deep dive on on the investments and let’s work conditionally on targets for zero emission vehicles including trade which is also very important we didn’t talk a lot about trade but also in the inner cities i think that’s

Very important for uh for air quality and and and connect the city countries regions and and companies in in scaling up and last but not least let’s work on those bicycles i saw also in the remarks that in bengal it has been done every child a bicycle maybe a bicycle berth but

Maybe you can find some some nice idea for the cop26 on to stimulate the active mobility so thank you all for participating and i’ve seen there are some questions which were also um answered in the um in the chat box also a lot of documents shared very nice to see

And also some questions for uh some re-documentations that will be all fine be found in the um in the main page of um of this these three days um happening so to panelists thank you very much it’s always too short um one hour but um thank you very much

And i’m looking forward to seeing you next time on the sustainable transport agenda

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Time: 1612987582
Date: 2021-02-10 23:36:22
Duration: 00:56:40

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