Title:استخراج گاز طبیعی: مفاهیم برنامه ریزی

۲۳-۰۹-۲۰۱۱ ارائه دهندگان: پیتر ولفورست، نیل فوگل و کرت هاوساممان جونیور. این وب‌کست فقط برای مشاهده در دسترس است، برای اعتبارات AICP CM قابل استفاده نیست. این جلسه با بررسی تأثیرات اجتماعی ناشی از حفاری گاز شیل، پرداختن به اثرات آب، حمل و نقل، زیست محیطی و اقتصادی آغاز می شود. سپس یک فرآیند برنامه ریزی مناسب برای جوامع برای مقابله با این تأثیرات پوشش داده خواهد شد و اقدامات بالقوه (برنامه ریزی، احکام، بودجه و غیره) مورد بحث قرار خواهد گرفت. به عنوان یک مطالعه موردی، تأثیرات و واکنش شهرستان لیکومینگ، پنسیلوانیا با توجه به حفاری گاز طبیعی در سازند شیل مارسلوس ارائه خواهد شد. شهرستان لیکومینگ با افزایش تعداد چاه‌های گاز حفاری شده در سال روبرو بوده است و پیش‌بینی می‌کند که ۱۰۰۰ حلقه چاه جدید تا بهار ۲۰۱۲ تکمیل شود.

قسمتي از متن فيلم: Broadcast is now starting all attendees are in listen-only mode hi my name is Brittany Kavinsky and I just want to welcome everyone it is now 1 p.m. so we will begin our presentation shortly today on September 23rd we will have our presentation on natural gas extraction planning applications given by peter

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Like to introduce our speakers for today so Peter Wolf forest has a a bachelor’s degree from Penn State University and environmental sciences and a master’s in environmental planning since 1989 he has been employed with Penn State Cooperative Extension where he is currently in economic and Community Development Extension educator

In Pike County in this position mr. wolf force provides non-formal education program on local government community planning water resources and leadership he has also conducted educational programs on Marcellus Shale water issues community development issues and planning for impacts of Marcellus Shale activity prior to his employment with Cooperative Extension he served as a

County planner for Pike County mr. Wolfe force is also a past president of the twin Walker creeks watershed Conservancy and chairman of the shohola Township Planning Commission Neil Fogle has a bachelors from shippensburg university and geo environmental studies and a master’s in Community and Economic Development from Penn State University

He is currently an economic and Community Development educator with Penn State Extension a position he has held for ten years prior to his work with extension he was the Columbia County Pennsylvania planning director for 13 years after serving as a land-use planner for two years in his work with

Extension he conducts non formal educational programs on Community Planning marcellus shale development organizational strategic planning local government and grant writing mr. Fogle is a certified instructor with the pennsylvania municipal planning education institute and has served on the pennsylvania Planning Association central section board Northeast Extension land use network and the penn

State environmental and natural resources institute Advisory Committee he has co-authored the publication’s question citizens and local leaders should be asking Marcellus Shale factsheet Marcellus Shale what local government officials need to know and developing effective citizen engagement a how-to guide for community leaders Curt hauserman graduated from Penn State

With a bachelor’s and administration of justice and an marywood university with a masters of Public Administration he has over 30 years of experience in local government having worked in local and comedienne county government as a case work supervisor borough manager zoning officer and subdivision administrator and deputy director of the Lycoming

County Department of Planning and Community Development he was appointed to director Planning and Community Development with Lycoming County in 2007 mr. Hausman is a member of that lycoming county community gas exploration task force and chairman of the planning directors gas committee lycoming county is experiencing a surge

In the number of gas wells drilled per year and anticipates that 1000 new wells will be completed by the spring of 2012 let’s welcome Peter Wolf horse will be our first presenter for today Thank You Brittany it’s a pleasure to be here I’m going to address the issues of

Natural gas development in my remarks one of some some of the things that communities need to be made aware of when it comes to this activity this slide shows the major shale gas place throughout the lower 48 states in the upper right you can see the Marcellus

Shale which covers parts of five states and in the lower left is Pennsylvania showing that it compasses or over lies 52 of our 67 counties when it comes to natural gas plays here in the lower 48 you can see in the middle of the Marcellus Shale which and this graph

Shows the potential for recoverable gas out of that formation now recently there’s been some articles USGS has estimated that about eighty four trillion cubic feet of natural gas is technically can be obtained from the Marcellus Shale so it is a big part of these natural gas plays and so it is

Potentially big here for Pennsylvania and throughout the throughout the country the fresh water that is used for drilling Marcellus Shale another natural gas plays require lots of water typically three to four sometimes more million gallons per well here in Pennsylvania the fresh water that is

Used if there is an access to that water needed that that’s under to control the landowner so they would need the gas companies we need permission to get to the water to access up that water however to allocate that water for the use of hydraulic fracturing is under the

State control either through Department of Environmental Protection as well as to River Basin tuitions that cover about two-thirds of the Commonwealth these water withdrawals that are currently being used by gas companies here in Pennsylvania for natural gas extraction are obtained through purchasing water from local municipal water companies i

Know in bellefonte in centre county there’s a big spring and they are selling some of their water to the gas companies other withdrawals occur through large rivers and impoundments in the past that we’re using some small streams and were some issues with some parts of the state where these dreams

The flow conditions didn’t allow them to obtain that water certain third certain seasons some might my beavs in groundwater the newest one that we’re seeing is wastewater where old abandoned mine drainage and mixing some of the frack fluid with the fresh water to reused for fracking additional wells

Some of the biggest concerns we see here is must okay where there is no River Basin Commission and it’s up to the DEP to provide the authority to withdraw the water and because of that we’ve seen some instances in that part of state in other parts of state where there’s been

Illegal withdrawals and so we have an issue a concern with enforcement to make sure that the water has probably been permitted for extraction to use for gas wells we talked about waste fluid that’s one of the issues that are affecting local communities not just in Pennsylvania but throughout the country

And there’s four basic waste fluids the first one is drilling fluids which include freshwater and muds that they’re using to drill through the rock to get them or sell shale that also involves cuttings as they drill through these rock formations that they have to capture and take care of the brine fluid

Which is the fluid where the rock is located that contains natural gas it’s very high in salts and heavy metals and so that’s going to then come to the surface I need to be taken care of the flowback water which is the water mixed with the chemicals that they’re using in

The fracking of the wells and so some of those materials are quite toxic and so when he come to the surface they have to treat take care of treating those and then finally the production fluids which or the fluids produced with the gas you can see in this picture there is a tank

And so depending on the wetness or the dryness of the gas there is some fluids generated in production of the gap of gas extraction what can go wrong these are just some bullets we use the storage pit that they’re storing the waste if there’s not a free board and it tips

Over it could be released to the environment one of the issues were seeing in Pennsylvania in the past is inadequate well construction which has led to methane migration to the ground water spills we’ve had examples of spills diesel fuel spilling on site and now they’re starting have containment

Pads to prevent that and then finally the inadequate inspections and enforcement this caught Pennsylvania by surprised the state government there wasn’t really a lot of individuals out there they increased those inspections inspectors but there’s been some instances where there hasn’t been enough manpower in the field to make sure that

The regulations are here to waste fluid collection and how it’s transported that it’s basically held in pits with acceptable plastic liners usually double line there should be two feet of freeboard to prevent water from escaping or getting out into the environment it’s usually the waste is transported via

Tanks tanker trucks or to waste facilities which we’ll talk about in a minute or two other well pads in some cases where they’re mixing that with fresh water and taking some of the materials out of that or it could be reused for fresh fracking water in Pennsylvania which might be different

Some about throughout the rest of the country are options of wastewater basically been in the beginning trying to mix it with conventional minutes of a wastewater systems however the salts do not get removed and so we’ve had instances where we’ve had hiked totals off solids being dumped into the surface

Water and some of those surface waters have been used for intakes for fresh water for consumers a deep injection wells is limited in Pennsylvania like some other parts of the country we do some sites that are being used and there might be some additional sites in the

Future reuse for cycling the cost of treating this wastewater it was about 12 to 25 cents per gallon compared to pennies per gallon for municipal wastewater treatment so it is expensive but they’re trying to directly dilute some of it takes some of the materials out and reuse it or they’re diluting it

With fresh water to reuse as fracking fluids for fracking the wells we are looking at advanced treatment here and these are just some of the some of the treatment options new companies or coming involved in taking care of this wastewater but as I mentioned it’s very much more expensive than conventional

Treatment so there is a cost to it one of the issues that we’re seeing here in Pennsylvania and there’s been other research throughout the country that these energy booms base and economic experience that some of these posts energy moon communities once the resource is extracted and the material

Has been taken out of the ground what’s left in a community is sometimes not much better off as was before the energy boom and so studies in West Virginia Wyoming show that President future impact of natural gas drilling is uncertain we don’t know here what’s going to be happening to our communities

There was an initial boom we’re seeing that right now in Pennsylvania but we’re concerned that once the resource is extracted what’s going to happen to our communities and so some of these communities that have experienced this throughout the country there’s some key characteristics one of them is lack of

Trust leadership human capital to go beyond the energy boom it’s like putting your eggs in one basket so it’s recommended that there have some diversity in your economy not relying on one type of economic engine you want to make sure you can promote economic diversity development it’s important

That we keep the wealth generated by the more cell shell here in Pennsylvania that it’s use for the for the in the community and so some cuties have addressed that by investing in early child care higher education may be taking some of that revenue that’s generated and putting in

A fund to be used for economic diversification in the future once this resource is extracted and completely gone here in console vania we’re starting to see some experiences the impact in local communities on an economic basis we have research taking place in the state in these more social

Communities one of the things that we have that research has shown that there is a higher state’s tax collections one of those is through sales tax as we see increased workers moving into the state or people being employed from Pennsylvania in this industry that they’re out there spending or disposal

Income on things instead of States collecting additional sales tax there is some benefit to the state also for this income tax as well as communities that do collect under an income tax but however some of these individuals haven’t live in other communities and you can’t jurisdiction up there located

In can’t tax as individuals if their domiciles in another part of the state re that we also see in some higher state government costs even though there’s no estimate that’s probably because the state needed additional workers was caught not having enough when the spoon started here in Pennsylvania there’s

Also been many studies done recently by Penn State Extension revealing that gas drilling has had major impact on local government some government to report no permits putting higher costs the new revenues about eighteen percent to a recent study said their tax revenue had increased twenty six percent said their

Costs have increased especially related to road maintenance and you can see the changes we’re seeing in our communities reflect that word of traffic and road impacts of this carrying both waste water and the water to these wall pads number of workers that are needed they

Need a place to stay in so in some cases we’ve seen landlords increasing rent for these workers have and if negatively affecting individuals that don’t have the income to to meet those higher rent costs we’ve seen social conflict in some of our communities we have what we call haves and have-nots

Neighbors not talking to each other that in this industry and then lots of uncertainty people really don’t know what the future holds I dunno how long gas in this fuel be here it since infancy but we expect it to be 15 20 30 years nobody knows at this point state

Has see some in those counties that there is heavy gas activities data soon increase in the sales tax collection we know the last couple years we’ve had a Down turning economy and so people don’t have as much income to spend and so they’re not spending on items that may

Be eating out as much at a restaurant buying things from stores but those counties would have seen the largest number of wells you can see on the graph on the far left that the sales tax of those counties of 150 wells or more has increased by eleven percent so you can

See economically it is positively impacted in those areas where this activities to take replacement however this can be a two-edged sword because as I mentioned is there is a high cost of living we’re having more people moving into the community obviously though some employments being good for those those

Communities but the rentals have increased due to housing demand in some cases when there’s emergencies that people need short-term housing the local agencies that provide that for them how don’t have as much about housing stock to select from and the other issue is the non gas industries this picture of a

Facility shows that they only were able to retain one auto mechanic at this facility because the rest of them started working for the gas industries and these are employed companies losing those employees and so that person called in sick one day and so that day there was no be available to take care

Of any customers and the other thing is commercial space is increased of the price because of the gas company and they’re able to pay for those increased commercial spaces and finally the long-range competitiveness one of the examples with that for these non gas businesses as a tourism industry it’s in

Its infancy here in Pennsylvania so we don’t know what that impacts going to be but there is some thought that if we see this in activity increasing that it’s going to affect the ability of people want to visit those areas of tourists because you’ll see things that maybe

They don’t want to see from these wall pads and these rigs and so forth but it’s too early to tell whether that’s going to occur but that’s a possibility other significant community issues for local government imogen erodes the highway safety you can see a picture here of trucks traveling these highways

We’ve had accidents happen for these vehicles housing issue for the workers that are needed what are in sewage with increased number of people moving in that infrastructure to police some communities about to increase their police to deal with possible issues of bratty behavior and other criminal issues by the increased workers

Emergency services will show you that in a minute what’s happening from some communities of schools we’ve seen some increase in schools that basically were declining or flat and then the issue of human resources for local government the increased number of people needed especially a county government and the

Assessment offices where these deeds are being recorded significant community issues we do how to slide up there looking at enrollment in some of the school districts in the areas that are experiencing Marcellus Shale so we’ve had population change the new schools increase with the families moving in housing needs some the industry have

Built specific housing for their workers the population composition diversity outsider is moving in from other parts of the country and so there’s conflicts with that with that childcare implications we have some studies taking place by researchers at Penn State looking at the effect of Marcel shale development on families which

Children both wage earners are working you know their implications than the for childcare the intergenerational relationships happening between family members family well-being health substance abuse you know that that’s an issue also with people at work long hours have time off and so they have a lot of money sometimes of single men and

So we see that happening in Pennsylvania as I mentioned it truck traffic carrying the waste and also the water to these sites it’s quite large and these are some numbers that came from some studies people is she done in the different phases of construction for more cells

And other natural gas plays that this is in Bradford County where we’re seeing activity and you can see the averages for traffic on Route six on State Route 14 different sections of Bradford County how the averages have increased dramatically and I personally experienced this out in towanda where

The backup was over a mile getting into the borough on route 6 and it was comprised a lot of natural gas vehicles I meant an emergency services this is information for four counties that are experiencing a more social activity and you can see in toga the far right one is

Only the first six months but the graphs show you that the emergency service calls the 911 calls that increased that’s put a strain on local emergency providers as well as the county that has to answer those calls so that’s been an impact in Pennsylvania one of the county’s is addressing the emergency

Service issues by developing nine on one addressing doing awareness training to emergency responders and then they’ve identified specialized mergency response training equipment needed to respond to such incidents so many of our County emergency manager agencies are trying to keep on track of the issue of dealing with emergencies that occur at these gas

Pads that affect the local responders and providing and training and getting the materials posted on these sites so emergency responders know what their addresses many have to arrive at the site finally a natural resource issues we’re having state land and pennons wood and Pennsylvania means Penns woods we

Have a lot of woods and so we’re concerned that what happen might happen to the Scarlet Tanager and the upper right of habitat fragmentation opening up patches of the forest and providing disturbance you can see a ball pad located within forest and what that might mean to the specialty animals that

Need large intact tracts of forest the spread of invasive species both plant and animals other issues that we haven’t experienced too much here in concerning other parts of the country or air quality like benzene levels by these wall pads have increased possibly in some parts of the country then negative

Effects on recreation aesthetics and we still have a big hunting component and tourism component in parts of Pennsylvania where this activity is occurring and what will that do if we’re staying in ink you know increase of these wall pads are going to negatively affect those that aval further able to

Also pipelines I don’t personally live in an area of Pennsylvania it’s experiencing well pads but about a mile from my house we’ve had a pipeline that they’ve added a second pipeline to so they’ve cleared the area and we’re having impacts on erosion issues with

Regard to run off and so you can see on this map what’s happening in addition to the gathering lines with the major transmission lines are are increasing putting additional capacity in the pipeline and these pipelines that are being placed in Pennsylvania can potentially act as a barrier to

Dispersal for some of our native species like the salamander it travels distances for two breeding grounds and it can act as an avenue for invasion of both plants and animals such as this caliber species such as skunks raccoons you know invasive plants and showing up in these pipelines and then getting out into

Other parts of the states at the reduce these pipeline impacts there are some bullets there that we you’ve shared with people in Transylvania through a previous Marcellus Shale webinar looking at to nuke okay this is more geared towards the gathering lines locate them in our along existing right aways to go from

The wall pats the main transmission lies lines using existing boundaries instead of across farm fields through forest maintenance of the right away of these pipelines to reduce the spread of invasive weeds like Japanese still grass and others that were seeing out here in Pennsylvania and then the big question

Can our communities operators of these pipelines work together the better plan pipeline development stead of having a spiderweb of pipelines threat throughout the community it occurred my address some of that in his presentation the landowner role and needs for these pipelines it’s good to get it great to

Get educated making sure that for these gathering lines these landowners have the right away and surface use agreements that protect their interest for their property this requires a range of knowledge and negotiating skills some are better than others we do have fact sheets at Penn State Extension to talk about pipeline easement considerations

And financial considerations as always it’s important that individuals get proper legal counsel and now addressing these pipeline agreements that is my contact information that’ll also be shown on the last slide by Curt so now I’m going to turn it over to neo okay thanks Peter I’m going to cover

Some of the processes through the planning steps from from the beginning towards terms when you get to activity and even later on and talk about a lot of other issues as well I’ve noticed in Pennsylvania that a lot of municipal officials say you know really do we need

To why bother there’s is a really limited things that we could do or what’s going to happen is have going to happen it will that impact the economic benefits if we actually go through planning and look at kind of controlling some things but there certainly are some

Planning steps that can be taken that can make a difference really by habit adea what’s heading your way you can prepare accordingly and you want to plan ahead and set react after the fact you want to anticipate the impacts both the positive end of negative and you want to

Avoid or minimize the potential negative impacts and attract or maximize the positives some of the real advantages of planning or that helps promote your community as a good place to do business and at the same time provide documented expectations such as the importance of certain scenic vistas or community

Special events certainly the more informed your about an issue the easier it is to make decisions about it planning helps you anticipate a wide range of community needs including employment training and services here’s an example the business on the left is looking for certified drivers and on the

Right is showing a business that is saying you know come here or ask us how we can help you become a certified driver in order to adequately plan for community impacts you should become informed and educated so you know what you’re dealing with assess your ability

To plan or take action this is where you find out what authority actually do have what tools are available and if you know how to use them you should identify stakeholders also establish good communication and relationships this is very important and natural gas development it actually comes up a lot

When you interview or talk to different different folks involved in the natural gas process as well as community leaders very very important i’ll touch on a little bit later as well and finally take the appropriate actions if you do the previous steps well your decisions will be more well-founded and you’ll

Know what your decision or conclusion is based upon you’ll know who it affects and how it affects them and certainly all these tasks are interrelated for example if you become educated on the issue but don’t take appropriate action you really have no implementation for it if you identify the people you should be

Talking to but never contact them or don’t speak up to them because of an adversarial relationship you won’t be effective in coordination and collaboration it’s important to know who the regulatory authorities are so you know what types of items are being regulated as well as who to contact if

There’s an issue under that that particularly entities jurisdiction Peter touched on me so I won’t deal with these much but certainly one in Pennsylvania least as a Department of Environmental Protection they permit well citing environmental controls inspections so for planners or officials in other states you certainly want to see who has

The authority to do that in your particular jurisdiction peter also mentioned the interstate river basin commissions and we do have two in pennsylvania and that’s another item that in other areas you would want to see who has jurisdiction over over the water withdrawal and another one is a Federal Energy Regulatory

Mission and they regulate interstate natural gas transport as well as pipeline storage and liquefied natural gas facility construction some of the things to additional things to know certainly the potential impacts these can really be a wide range things such as the water water issues forced fragmentation the increased employment

Opportunities but competition for the workforces of existing local businesses cultural differences that’s popping up in a number of areas people from other parts of the country moving in that have a different cultural background and what’s been in the area land use changes and many of these you may not be

Familiar with if natural gas development is new to your area there’s also the emergency services need as well the strains on the roads sewer and water service and school facilities and staff planning for natural gas impacts include the obtaining applicable information and this can’t be done in isolation you need

To be able to readily contact people organizations that can provide you with the information you need you should have contact information for and be willing to contact entity such as the gas industry representatives to get information from and give information to for issues such as road needs and other

Impacts regulatory agency personnel to ask questions as they arise and get clarification on issues identified stakeholders to share information concerns and express needs as well as other educational support entity such as cooperative extension or organizational associations that you belong to this is a to expand a little bit upon

Some of the things Peter talked about this shows the different stages of boom towns and I really do think this is a really important slide because it helps you think about what’s coming or potentially coming down the road and helps you think about when do we need to

Look at certain issues or who do we have have to have involved at these different stages it also helps citizens as well as planners look for balance and reality checks from the early stages on helps the anticipate when conflict and opposition may come and share that you

Want those on each side of the issue involved from the very beginning so for the enthusiasm level those promoting economic benefits may get more of a public stage than those concerned over environmental issues so if you’re at the very early stages you want to make sure

You have a voice from all sides at the uncertainty level many people still are probably sorting out their stance on related issues and that can impact you know how easy or hard it is to plan at near panic some residents and stakeholders may express concern that certain impacts weren’t planned for or

For warned that this is only the beginning of a future change and as planners you want to move the adaptation stage up as early as possible to have things in place to deal with these issues as with any activity that will impact a community there will be varying

Opinions about what steps leaders should take in the best interest of the citizens some are going to be concerned and what the activity locally regulated others will fear that controls are jeopardized the benefits to stakeholder such as leaseholders and support businesses you really need to know what limitations are placed on you before

Attempting to plan or regulate and these limitations could be legislative ordered judicial you don’t want to putting a lot of time effort money in the plans i only have them become null and void or on amenable based on this knowledge you should inventory your existing ordinances and planning documents and

Determine the need to upgrade them or create new ones to consider documenting what’s important to your community and determine if it’s impacted by the natural gas industry it’s important to document not only to discuss this and there certainly it could be a number of sources to help you do this this

Evaluation such as comprehensive plans mission and vision statements annual reports and the light also could be done through needs assessment of community leaders or organizations once you assess community and organizational priorities you then determine what authority you have of the issue issues can arise over which the local community has no direct

Regulatory authority and for a lot of the things in Pennsylvania that is a case that there there are a lot of a preemptions for what local municipalities can do and if that is the case for you then of course you have to look at other options such as communicating with the individual

Organization that does have the authority or negotiation with the applicable parties or education when the issues for those involved one of the things that is extremely important is the ability of landowners to lease or not to lease or two if there is a sensitive area or something very

Important to the community maybe they want to have some type of wording in the least that would maybe a lot more of a buffer or a way to deal with that and protect it its plan for the future you want to have some of an idea of what the

Future holds you know this is really no different than if a developer is developing a tract of land in your community for housing you want to get that background day you want to know what’s what’s ahead you want to look at in in a case of the development you how

Many watts what’s a road system is going to be like what type of homes would be built with types of utilities now certainly planning for now gasps is different than planning for housing development but again that the point is you need to get that data there and that information there to base your

Decisions on this includes the slide includes some examples of some of the data needs you want to look at things such as a volume rate and extent of grilling activity I’ll give you an idea what may be coming down the road example here is the information from the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental

Protection they in the case of Pennsylvania provide permanent rig activity as well as well as well locations and they also provide a service that if you sign up for it they will actually email you or provide information on upcoming permits when they’re when they’re put into the system

And certainly for for other states you’d want to look if such a system exists as well to help you get some of your data needs other things that the knowledge of the gas industry representatives or can certainly be very helpful as far as future activity or industry needs and

Technology you want to again establish a life communication with them also just a review of past activity and discussions with the joining communities to see what not only is happening your immediate area but around you can help you kind of get an idea for for what they’ve gone

Through or haven’t gone through yet as well as for the region what the future may hold there’s also a useful website the channel and here the Baker user account website lets you customize your search for past and current rig activity and also I certainly keep out in an eye

Open for for studies from from educational or academic institutions as well as other associations of an example in Pennsylvania the Marcellus Shale educational training center did a workforce needs assessment that was available for for community leaders as well as the public for those in the planning profession a

Lot of times planning seems like you know what if or the potential scenarios and if you are beginning to experience or very soon may experience natural gas development it kind of really turns into the world world planning or real world situations it’s not you know if it comes

It’s here and now how do we deal with it so comprehensive plan is a very important component I know Kurt’s going to talk about this they’ll just touch on it you know some of the things you know that it will do is set some standards for the community that you want to

Strive for I would involve obtaining and analyzing data setting goals setting priorities receiving input and it having a comprehensive plan give you some baseline data data on you know you know what your community is like now and from that you can document how it actually is changing a lot of components other

Comprehensive plan really do relate to to natural gas development for example future community development this may address areas areas of your community you want developed in certain time frames and and that can change based on the influx of natural gas Metro grass development same for a land-use

Component you know what how’s it going to fit into the character of your community need to think about you know there very well may be accelerated development that’s resulting from natural gas development and what type of conflicting land uses may have to deal with with issues such as compressor

Stations housing needs certainly can change particularly a lot of areas are experienced in need for temporary housing which wasn’t an issue before transportation is one of the really big items in in natural gas development and comprehensive planning and it’s important to know you know what your Road systems are there now what they’re

Designed for and you know how to how to deal with some of the impacts maybe had a better link to transportation systems community facilities also can can be impacted and that can be part of your comprehensive plan and a study or analysis of natural and historic resources that could help with providing

Information for regulators for consideration as well as enhanced collaborative efforts with stakeholders just touch when this as far as ordinances again Curt will give give good examples of his situation but just to let you know that certainly zoning ordinances and subdivision land development ordinances are out there

There are a lot of limitations in Pennsylvania as far as what Pennsylvania planners can do but you know in your individual state you have to look and see what what components can be applied to direct development of natural gas as well as the offshoot or spin-off

Development and which is more so can be can be addressed in Pennsylvania at least in Pennsylvania is also an option for official map which basically lays it lays aside two areas for future right of way this could be especially important for the cumulative impact of traffic

From natural gas as with any any type of regulatory authority particularly again when there’s a preemptions you have to make sure you deal with your solicitor for those four roads they are impacted due to the volume of truck traffic this is a pretty good picture of a pre rural

Area shows you what what condition this road particular road is in in Pennsylvania at least the available options are posting and bonding of the roads this includes posting the road itself you have to have an excess maintenance agreement you have to require permits and there’s Road inspections and monitoring and then

Securing a bond some municipalities as opposed to going that route have just been having a gas industry maintenance agreement with the companies they sign off on that that deals more with the company’s saying you know we agree to fix up the roads as opposed to posting and bonding where there’s a set

Specific amount put aside and some unis valleys are just going on verbal assurances as well other plans in addition to the things I’ve talked about that it could be applicable certainly capital improvement plans which could help in the future for budgeting for long-term major projects that could be

Impacted by natural gas development open space and recreational plans things such as site development in clearing for gathering collector lines you know could be proposed in a scenic area within hiking trails or some meanness appalling actually have at least out land in those areas and you know then more funds may

Be available to purchase new lands or upgrade facilities compressor stations again could be an issue if it’s in an area that is deemed more for passive recreation you know they have to be something done to see if something could make sure that there’s reduced noise levels and other plans certainly can be

Applicable economic development workforce and education as well as school district plans and they all it really should be some coordination for those that are developing those something you really should think about is at the local level and particularly you know who’s going to be responsible

To keep track of what’s going on or to keep up with natural gas development most likely the life span of the other development is going to exceed that of any particular person in office so some of the things that think about is to delegate like a certain elected official

As opposed to a person to say in the chair that’s their responsibility when they want to commit an office to keep up or to be the main overseer of natural gas issues in our community certainly could be delegated to a municipal planning commission you know a lot of

Areas are different as far as how active the Planning Commission’s are I know in Pennsylvania some very rural areas the Planning Commission’s only meet when there’s a subdivision proposes sometimes that’s not very often but this would give some actual planning work for for the local Commission to do another

Option at least in Pennsylvania is an environmental advisory committee or a task force could be formed as well need to identify the stakeholders this is is really important for a number of things for the communication for coordination for collaboration you know it’s much more effective to work together with

Others that are looking for some of the same things you are to expand your knowledge base allows for direct delivery or receipt of an education on pertinent issues and let you know what resources may be available for certain tasks just a summary here of who some of

The stakeholders may be and this is by no means a complete list and could be different for you know what particular area you’re in but you know stakeholders range from your land owners to natural gas related businesses and subcontractors government officials and Conservancy and land Trust’s and environmental groups I mentioned before

You do need to have good communications and relationships some of the things you want to take the time to determine it and then communicate as municipality your community as a whole what is it you want out of the natural gas development what do you want your community to look

Like and what is most important to your community are there positive aspects about the community that you’re not willing to give up or that you’re willing to give up on a temporary basis and are there negative aspects about your community that could use some change particularly you know the

Economic situation in order to get the answer to some of these questions certainly review the comprehensive plan could help other agency plans as well as those related documents or you can hold up also been put from the public or are involved stakeholders and then have you documented the the

Interest of these questions then have you shared a tour or you should share with some of the key players such as a gas industry itself regulators legislators economic development organizations you may have to negotiate these issues but you won’t know where you stand unless you communicate their other means by which communities can

Address the ability to deal with the impacts of natural gas development one is community visioning where look at the community prioritize needs and develop some actions to meet those needs this has been done in Tioga County in Pennsylvania they went through a program called charting the future of our

Community and they did have stakeholders involved they have multiple meetings and I came up with a plan for what it what was important to them and you know how could that be achieved and try to establish that relationship and communication also there’s a lot of challenges for a lot of organizations

When there’s a lot of change and you know how effective are they and another means is for an organizational strategic plant if an organization already has one to either upgrade it to become more efficient or to set some new goals and that is a way of developing an action

Plan to help meet the goals including the new challenges that they face so to summarize taking action is resolved doing all the tests that I talked about they can lead to action steps by becoming informed and educated you set the basis upon which you can evaluate the eventual courses of action you can

And should take by assessing your ability to plan or take action you conducted an organizational assessment evaluated available tools by which action can be initiated by identifying stakeholders you decided to not plan or eventually act in a vacuum and consider the impact on others and by establishing good communication relationships you

Helped increase the likelihood that the actions or positions you will take will be better universally understood and effective and the planning process itself should result in thought out and appropriate actions and of course all these tasks are correlated one kind of leads and relates to the other there

Again is uh is my contact information and I that will be available at the at the end of the presentation and I will turn it over to Kurt hi Kurt I’m if you’re speaking right now I don’t believe that we’re hearing you make sure that you’re not muted okay

Good afternoon this is Kurt hauserman I’m going to talk to you a little bit about why zoning and planning is so important as related to Marcellus Shale you heard from Neal about the comprehensive plan and why that’s important i’m going to go into a little bit more detail on that some of the

Legal applications of the comprehensive plan and how it relates to subdivision and zoning i’m going to in some detail talk about subdivision and zoning ordinance as related to Marcellus and I’m going to talk about the need for good plan development for the future of the cat in our case like cuming County

I’m having a little difficulty my slot there this is the location of Lycoming County you can see of course where Pennsylvania is related to the United States but like cuming County is in the north central part of the state of Pennsylvania and it is very central to

The Marcellus play and because of that Lycoming County is not only seeing a lot of drilling taking place in our county but we are also seeing many more companies or located inland cuming County for the drilling industry we first became aware of this this is a relatively new event for us in Lycoming

County we became aware of it in the fall of two thousand seven a task force was created in early two thousand eight and one of the most important things that we did was several members of our county task force travel to Fort Worth in July

A 2008 and we went to see the Barnett play and we met with the officials we met with local government officials wiimote met with drilling companies and it was just very informative and it was really a crash course on what to expect and drilling shale gas and that was really worthwhile

In September 2008 we began work on a zoning amendment it be it was readily apparent to us that our zoning ordinance was not adequate to deal with the drilling industry and with gas extraction one thing that’s unique in Pennsylvania Neil talked a little bit about this was that we have a state Oil

And Gas Act and the state oil and gas act in Pennsylvania is pre-emptive and what that means is there are many things that you are not allowed to regulate locally and when I say locally I mean either on the county the borough the township or the city level within the

State of Pennsylvania also determined is that the only way you can regulate things locally is through your zoning ordinance you cannot have a a standalone oil and gas ordinance that would apply you must do it through zoning our task force meets within the industry representatives and we deal with issues

As they come up and that’s been very helpful to us as a county and our task force then and turn tries to provide community and from information to the community by our web county website we found that it’s very important to keep the lines of communication open as Neal

Said you need to have good communication you need to foster good relationships this is not just with the community of course because the public needs to be very involved but you also have to work closely with the company’s you need to get to know your company representatives

You need to get to know what companies are operating in your county and reach out to them talk about and see what difficulties they’re encountering in the municipality see what their plans are for your county or you Township and then work with them so that they can achieve their goals but you can

Also achieve your goals as outlined in your comprehensive plan as a county or municipality we learned that reasonable regulation is necessary and by that I’m talking about that you don’t want to regulate to the extreme that would shut down the industry because then you’re not going to be able to recognize the

Vast economic development opportunities that the industry does bring to your community we found that best management practices are important and we have incorporated them in our county ordinance and by best management practices that is practices that you would like to see the industry do but they don’t rise to the level of a

Regulation or have a force of law behind them you know great negotiate with the companies and their representatives and work out how you would like to see them do the developments the comprehensive plan is very important because it guides the development for 15 to 20 years into

The future for your municipality and my cuming County had just updated their comprehensive plan in 2006 as you may remember I talked about we didn’t realize about Marcellus coming to the area until 2007 and so because of that we really did not directly address marcellus shale or shale gas extraction

In our comprehensive plan but there were three top goals that were identified by residents and citizens of like common County in our comprehensive plan and that goal number one was protect our quality of life and because of that you cannot have it you can’t have a drill baby drill philosophy and protect your

Quality of life at the same time you do have to have some reasonable and balanced regulate regulations so that the gas industry can succeed but so you can protect your quality of life at the same time we are a very rural County and in agricultural County and

Because of that that was goal number two of our comp plan was maintained rural and agricultural nature of the county number three from our comp plan we also found that our residents live here move here and stay here because of the small town community atmosphere that we have

In my tummy County so all land use regulation is based in Pennsylvania on the comprehensive plan so it’s very important because you’re zoning amendments and your zoning ordinance must be consistent with the comprehensive plan that you have in place and if you remember a little bit earlier I I said that in Pennsylvania

You can only regulate the gas industry locally through the zoning ordinance so your comprehensive plan your zoning ordinance are extremely important if you have any local control in Pennsylvania over the gas industry it’s an you need to have an orderly process when you’re working on your comprehensive plan and

The most important part to the comprehensive plan it has to be a very public process you need to have your citizens involved and the more pump and you need to set up stakeholder groups have a lot of public meetings and the more involvement you can get from the public the better your comprehensive

Plan will be and the more value it will be to you in the future the subdivision and land development in Pennsylvania also it does apply to the oil and gas industry it applies on portions of land a partial verdicts are being leased land development approval is also needed for

Compression and processing stations that are built in accordance with the gas industry or a supplemental development in Lycoming County we are one of the few counties in the state that has a County subdivision land development and ordinance and we’re one of a very small few counties in Pennsylvania that have a county zoning

Ordinance and so the county ordinances only apply however to municipalities that do not have their own subdivision and their own zoning ordinances in Pennsylvania the lowest level of municipal government has the most control over zoning and subdivision they decide if they’re going to have their own ordinances and they decide what goes

Into those ordinances at that level and the county only comes into play if a municipality determines that they are not going to have their own subdivision and land development ordinances subdivision and land development does apply it applies now to the industry this is a map of Lycoming County and in

Yellow you see the municipalities that are under the county zoning ordinance or County jurisdiction for subdivision and land development it’s approximately half of the municipalities this is a map of county zoning ordinance jurisdiction the municipalities that are on the map in green there are 17 are the ones that do

Not have their own zoning ordinances but in which the county zoning ordinance applies and this is a true partnership with our municipalities this is a map of the zoning districts in Lycoming County under the county zoning ordinances and those districts are in the different colors you can see that the northern

Third of our County is very much a resource protection district and located in green this is also one of the largest areas where drilling is occurring in Lycoming County is in the northern third and also in the eastern end of the county this map represents in blue all

Of the least parcels for oil and gas drilling in Lycoming County and I think this map clearly represents it about two-thirds of our County has been leased oil and gas extraction in Pennsylvania local regulation of oil and gas is through zoni as I talked about and to some extent through subdivision and land

Development this land use can be regulated on a local basis your zoning does have to be consistent with your comprehensive plan and the basis for all zoning in Pennsylvania is health safety and welfare the regulation should be reasonable I already talked about the state Oil and Gas Act county zoning

Ordinance amendment for oil and gas in Lycoming County was adopted in march two thousand eleven one of the things i want to talk about is that we worked with it was a public process for coming up with our and preparing our zoning amendment for oil and gas and we worked with the

Industry we had industry representatives and the five main companies that are working in Lycoming County their attorneys were at the table and we did work with them we did not prepare the ordinance amendment in a vacuum and that has paid dividends for us because the ordinance has not been challenged by the

Oil and gas industry we have received compliance with the ordinance from the companies that are working in Lycoming County and it has been overall it has been a very smooth process one of the things to note for Pennsylvania is that your ability is to regulate typical land use characteristics you cannot do things

In your zoning ordinance that or you do not for the oil and gas industry that you do not regulate for other industries and other land uses in your in your county or jurisdiction for example the things that you can regulate our setbacks buffering screening noise glare dust odor typical kind of things that

You can regulate through a zoning ordinance and also you can regulate where a particular land use is allowed to be located within your municipality of course best management practices we feel should be included in the ordinance for example one of the ones that we worked on with

The industry was the sole access to a drilling site should not be taken through a residential street unless there’s no other means of access to the drilling site and that basically is a health safety and welfare type of issue that we try to regulate again I can’t

Stress how important it is to employ include the industry when you’re working on a zoning ordinance or a zoning ordinance amendment the need for good planning because you can only regulate the oil and gas industry on a local level in Pennsylvania through zoning and subdivision and land development

Planning is more important than ever your comprehensive plan is very important because that serves as the basis for all of your zoning and you’re zoning needs to be consistent with it so it needs to be very detailed and it has to be forward-thinking and you need to allow for all uses in Pennsylvania

That’s one of the other things in Pennsylvania under zoning laws you need to protect provide for all uses within your ordinance diction there’s 151 new wells drilled in Lycoming County in 2011 so it’s something you have to prepare for and be ready for under our county ordinance we do not permit drilling into

Zoning districts and they are are more residential type of districts and our denser type of districts under the county zoning it’s important to note that our county zoning ordinance does by and large you use mixed use zoning districts this is a map that shows the well sites that have have taken place

Just as of August 2011 you can see is concentrated in the upper third of the county or almost upper half and also out in the eastern end of the county this this in and of itself has caused transportation issues we have heavy traffic on roadway that have never been used that heavily

Before in Lycoming County there is a very nice rural and Recreation valley called the Pine Creek Valley and the character of the valley has been greatly changed because of the number of trucks that are on the roadway for example the overall traffic on Route 44 which is the

Route that leads up through the pine creek valley has increased by a hundred and fifty percent in the last two years however the truck traffic on that same route through the valley has increased by over three hundred percent economic development again we’re trying to strike a balance to protect our quality of life

Maintain our rural nature but at the same time we are trying to provide for the growth of the industry because there are very many economic development opportunities and and revitalization opportunities for your cities and your burrows and your developed areas that come because of the gas industry so

We’re trying to do both where again it’s balanced and that’s the word I use quite a bit what I’m talking about the gas industry we are trying to achieve a balance at our core community we have one city in our county and our community of Williamsport which is the Houma

Little League baseball you may have heard of it because of that but when sport Pennsylvania is really seeing a revitalization like it has not seen for many years and a lot of work was done to prepare through our lead partners organization and other community organizations for that revitalization so

We were somewhat prepared for what is taking place but I wouldn’t say we were completely prepared or completely ready brownfields development I can’t stress how important enough how important Browns field development is to dealing with the industry and finding homes for their supplemental development that comes as a

Result of the industry so we are definitely using a brat we have a brownfields program that’s been in effect for about eight years and we are revitalizing many of our brownfields as a result of the Supplemental development that’s coming because of the gas industry this is my contact information

And also Neil’s and peters and i’ll leave that slide up and at this time up I’ll turn it back okay great Thank You Curt um well we got a we got a couple questions in from some of the attendees and I’m going to go ahead and give you

The first one and all any of the three of you are welcome to just jump in what are some specific examples of issues that may avoid a land use plan or land use regulation well as far as Pennsylvania one of the things that would void it would certainly be going

Against Oil & Gas Act which basically says that you can’t regulate the Satan types of things that that that particular state law does so and some of the court cases that’s what was found to have them where they ruled that the local municipality was trying to regulate the the same things that the

State was given the authority to so that that was from from a legal side of things that would have heard that dead nullify that particular regulation okay great well our next question is are there major differences in land use or community impacts between natural gas extraction and oil drilling or mining in

Other areas of the country this is Kurt I don’t believe so I believe that we’re seeing a lot of the same impacts here in Pennsylvania previously we had seen impacts from the coal industry and some people are comparing the oil and gas extraction to similar impacts that we’ve

Seen from the coal industry but I don’t think it’s different than what people are seeing in other parts of the country except that one of the big things that that we have is in Lycoming County we have over 2,200 miles of streams and waterways and we are very concerned

About the impacts that the industry will have on our on our scenic rivers and on our high-value watersheds and streams yeah this is new I think there’s a lot of similarities to but there certainly are differences as well you know just within Pennsylvania you know out in the

Western part of the state had a lot of shallow gas well so they my understanding is they are used to a lot of the impacts but things are different with more cells too since it’s a deeper well there’s a lot more truck traffic you know different amounts of land

Disturbed for the activity my not so I do think I agree there’s a lot of similarities however you always have to remember there’s going to be some differences out there as well but as a local local official or local planner you need to be aware of okay our next

Question is I do you know of communities or counties that have programs to encourage or regulate well pads sitting in order to avoid environmentally sensitive areas floodplain steep slope score force yes this curr it’s very common for the people that do have the zoning ordinances in place that they prohibit gas drilling

Within the floodplains in Lycoming County we prohibit the drilling in the floodway sections of the floodplain however in the flood fringe section it technically is permitted if the industry can show to us or prove to us that there’s no other way they can extract the gas that has not happened to this

Point my cuming County has issued no permits for any drilling within any flood plain areas any regulatory floodplain areas because with the horizontal drilling in most cases the industry can set up outside of the floodplain and horizontal drill under the floodplain and still extract the gas and that’s something that people need to

Realize is there’s a difference between prohibiting a well pad in a certain area such as a floodplain and prohibiting the extraction of the resource from that same area okay well our next question is how many acres of land are needed for a typical well well this is Peter usually

The pads here in Pennsylvania three to five acres is needed but then there’s also the access roads that have to get built to get it to get to the parcels the well pads and that could add some some acreage to that as well because a lot of times they need to build new

Roads to to get to these wall pens okay and what are the supplemental developments that are being located on the brownfields compression stations this is curt what we’re seeing in lycoming county is the lay down such as pipe storage areas truck storage areas for the water tankers that are carrying the water from

The water providers to the actual drill sites so we’re seeing a lot of those kind of things they are welding companies pipe coating companies just a large variety of support services that support the gas industry that move into an area when drilling is taking place and this is Peter I know in addition

Some of these gas companies removing corporate offices and we’ve seen them locating in old grocery stores and other unused commercial buildings yeah this is Neil it’s interesting in here i am at currently located is right outside the Marcellus drilling area itself but there’s a lot of the ancillary type

Businesses that are moving into areas that were unoccupied previously whether it’s trucking firms or there’s some companies that deal with spills and things of that nature so even though we’re not right over the the Marcellus is actually you know economically feasible to do the drilling there still impacts in areas even without even

Outside that that area okay great I’m sorry next question is what is the current energy return on energy invested for gas from the marsh Marcellus on in Pennsylvania this is Kurt I think I don’t have any exact numbers or anything on that but one of the things that we are seeing is

Within the play there are currently two large power plants that are being planned and going through the stages for development in the future that would be gas-powered power plants and that certainly we would see some numbers after they would be in operation but just the fact that we could possibly

Getting two major power plants in central Pennsylvania will be very helpful to our production of electricity okay um have you have any of you encountered any novel ideas on planning for after gas extraction ends in small communities on for example energy-based underwriting on facilities that could be

Used for other industries I don’t know if I consider this this is neel a lot of the businesses that I’m sealing seeing again at least in my current location right outside of the Marcellus drilling area but there are a lot of businesses that are even though they haven’t an

Existing service they have expanded to include Marcellus so that it’s in addition to not solely a replacement of for example there’s a business in in Lewisburg that have they actually deal with like tomato pickers and agricultural operations but they’ve actually started expanding their business into water related storage

Transport trucks or other methods for for dealing with the water so while they that is a big influence for them they still have their other business to go back to and I think you’re seeing that lot in a lot of areas yeah I’m not aware

Of any I know it’s early it’s at its infancy here in Pennsylvania and I haven’t really seen too many thoughts or plans for the future once this industry is leaving Pennsylvania not enough card if you’ve seen any in your neck of the woods well we are Chamber of Commerce in

Our county we’re still actively pursuing other types of companies to come into our area because we don’t want to be as was mentioned earlier I think by you Peter or by Neal we don’t want to be have all our eggs in one basket and be

That one town shot or you know one shop town we need to have diversity so with that is something that very much is on our mind and we are doing what we can to try and plan for and to try and record recruit other types of companies to the

Area okay well I’m our next question is on how long is a well active well I didn’t show a picture but once they fraca gas well production then declines over time the highest amount of gas extracted in the beginning of the process and over time it will decline

Because it’s in its infancy in Pennsylvania potential then is they might go in and refract the well so really don’t know right now how long the production / well is going to take at this point since it’s it’s new to the Pennsylvania but it is higher in the

Beginning and then over time it the pores in the rock slowly closed and so you get less gas coming out of the other wells yeah there’s been estimates I mean as far as the estimates I’ve heard is anywhere from you know 35 40 years but but their guesses from what I understand

From industry and meal I believe that’s based on being able to go in like Peter said and refract the well a number of times I think you can actually reef racket well I’ve heard up to like five times okay well prior to the state level permitting where their risk analysis performed

Similar to risk analysis that one might use when zoning in hazard zones this is Kurt not that I know of I’ve not heard that there was any risk analysis used okay I’m so our next question is what are other examples of best management practices okay this is Kurt for example

We asked our PR the drillers when they are working on a site that when they’re clearing the pad and preparing for the drilling equipment to come in that they do not clear any more trees or clear any area more than what they absolutely need we want to keep the clearing to a small

Of an area as possible we want to keep the forestation as much intact as impossible as possible and we also want their roads and things that they do as much as possible we like to see them follow existing agricultural roads or logging roads and things that may be and

Have been in place previously but the one of the biggest things is we do we don’t want to see the pad site any bigger than it needs to be okay well our next question is how is Lycoming County handling the wastewater generated by drilling activities that’s a good question we actually here

In Lycoming County have two treatment plants that are designed just to treat the wastewater from the industry and they are treating it to a higher standard and removing the salts and and things from the water okay great um so our next question is there was an extensive discussion of the negative

Impacts associated with drilling could you please just recap the community benefits of drilling this is peter i know we’ve seen investment by the gas industry in communities that’s been positive on the other positive impacts is that there some of these communities have lower unemployment than other parts

Of the state in some cases gas companies are redoing the roads that they’re impacting from their operations also some of the gas companies are giving to local nonprofits in the community groups that have a hard time able to raise money to to meet their activities and so

There’s some of the positives that I’ve read about in the newspapers on the internet right yes and there was just some results that came out a week or two ago as far as metropolitan statistical areas in the United States and like cuming County was listed as number seven

In the top ten for growth yeah another thing that and this is just I think being looked at now is the potential positive impact on agriculture there’s a lot of forms that were having a very hard time of it financially and just from from the leasing or from the well

Production you know a lot of farmers have just been able to continue or to switch another top type of operation okay our next question is it possible that the county will be legally challenged on excluding drilling in some residential zones by the gas companies or lease holders this is curt that’s a good

Question we don’t anticipate that we will be because we did work with the industry and it’s important to note in my conversation with you this afternoon I talked about the difference between prohibiting a well pad within a certain zoning district and still permitting the extraction of the resource from that

Zoning district and that’s what we’ve done here in Lake humming county we have prohibited the well pads and two of our zoning districts but the gas can still be extracted the pads can be set up outside in the neighboring zoning district and they can horizontally drill underneath the two prohibited districts

And still extract the gas okay our next question is there a resource depletion investment fund at the state level funded from tax income on the gas sales that will build and provide for redevelopment in the future this is Peter I’m I don’t there’s none exists right now in Pennsylvania that I’m aware of

I’m so our next question what lessons can be learned from the April twentieth fracking fluid overflow in bradford county well i don’t know what specifically there they’re talking about if they’re talking about the one I guess out in western part of the county that this industry notice activity does have

Some risk and if it’s done correctly and follows rules and regulations we shouldn’t have many you know instances like this so we need to have proper inspection and enforcement of the regulations of regarding the gastro and in order to prevent those type of accidents occurring okay well our next

Question and I think it’ll be our last question for the session so if if we haven’t gotten to any of your questions you’re more than welcome to contact Kurt Neil or Peter I’m sure they’d be happy to follow up with you but I’m our next question is can a farm maintain its

Organic rating if it allows drilling underneath it and how is that certification maintained well I’m not an advocate on 0 for Neil or Kurt no I’m certainly not either but I’m sure that something as far as their extension that could be found out for you so you know contact I’d suggest contacting Peter

Myself and we can confine the right people you need to talk to okay great well thank you all so much I’m representing I think it was a really great session I’m going to go ahead and just go through a few reminders for those of you still in attendance in just a moment you

Sorry I was muted um so first off to log your CM credits for attending today’s webcast please go to ww planning or GM select today’s date Friday September 23rd and then select today’s webcast natural gas extraction planning implications this webcast is available for one and a half cm credits we are

Also recording today’s session so you will be able to find a recording of this webcast along with a six slide per page PDF at ww utah APA org slash webcast archive and this does conclude today’s session and I want to thank everyone again for attending you you

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