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فيلم: ارزیابی اثرات طوفان سندی: مصاحبه با جیمز راوس، AICP

Title:ارزیابی اثرات طوفان سندی: مصاحبه با جیمز راوس، AICP جیم شواب، مدیر مرکز تحقیقات برنامه ریزی مخاطرات APA، با جیمز راوس، AICP، در مورد اثرات طوفان سندی بر منطقه کلان شهر نیویورک و اینکه چگونه برنامه ریزی می تواند روند بهبود را شکل دهد، مصاحبه می کند. جیمز رئیس بخش متروی نیویورک انجمن برنامه‌ریزی آمریکا […]

Title:ارزیابی اثرات طوفان سندی: مصاحبه با جیمز راوس، AICP

جیم شواب، مدیر مرکز تحقیقات برنامه ریزی مخاطرات APA، با جیمز راوس، AICP، در مورد اثرات طوفان سندی بر منطقه کلان شهر نیویورک و اینکه چگونه برنامه ریزی می تواند روند بهبود را شکل دهد، مصاحبه می کند. جیمز رئیس بخش متروی نیویورک انجمن برنامه‌ریزی آمریکا است و همچنین به عنوان مدیر برنامه‌های سرمایه در دفتر رئیس‌جمهور برانکس کار می‌کند. ضبط شده در ۲۶ نوامبر ۲۰۱۲ blogs.planning.org/postdisaster


قسمتي از متن فيلم: This is jim schwab manager of the american planning association hazards planning research center with me today is james browse who’s the president of our new york metro chapter of apa uh who also works for the bronx borough president um in his day job and we’re going to talk about uh the impacts of

Superstorm sandy and in new york city and some of the related issues and let me start james by just asking you for a little comparison uh you know this isn’t the first time a storm has made it to new york of this nature uh you had hurricane irene but it

Certainly had very different uh impacts and a very different direction to it than was the case with sandy this time could you tell us a little about you know the difference in terms of how that affected new york absolutely hurricane irene um didn’t have much of an impact on new

York city long island and the lower lower hudson valley counties as much as it did on the mid hudson and upper hudson and through vermont so i think the reaction to sandy was oh this is just going to be another irene and the reason we kind of battened down the hatches for

Irene and didn’t really receive much impact because uh the mayor had received a lot of criticism as response to a blizzard the year before and um the logistics with that didn’t fail but did not go smoothly so we had you know over prepared um was the

Feeling of many for irene and so when they were talking about sandy they just thought well irene hit you know the upper hudson valley and most hurricanes you know happened in the middle atlantic and southern states you know irene was just you know a one-time thing and it

Wasn’t that bad so sandy won’t be that bad either and so a lot of communities didn’t evacuate a lot of communities felt like the the prep work that they had already done and you know just simply boarding up their homes and just you know making sure no one goes outside was enough

Um and unfortunately we were very wrong so a bit of an element of the uh perception let’s say of having cried wolf yes yes you know this is not something we deal with uh regularly you know blizzards sure um but with high winds and flooding you

Know if winds reach 50 miles an hour in the new york metro region um that that’s considered you know that’s considered a hurricane for us and you know we usually don’t see much damage well it did produce some damage so let’s talk about some of that and and what you

Know at least so far about what what actually happened yeah it’s been pretty fairly devastating i i had you know i was able to go out um this past weekend with paul farmer and former chapter president donald burns to assess the area because the chapter is working with a local

Development corporation which i’ll talk a little bit about later and you know it’s it’s definitely definitely very devastated long island for example many communities we weren’t talking to for weeks just because the communications were down power lines were obliterated and the coordination just with the power companies had had been very difficult

Governor cuomo has been very critical of lipa calling for a replacement entity uh because just because the communication between libra and its customers and just their ability to get services backed up was very difficult and lipa actually serves the rockaways and so since it’s technically not part of long

Island they felt they were they were especially neglected since it’s technically part of new york city but you know staten island was you know which is an isolated relatively isolated community compared to the rest of uh the region you know was very devastated on their beaches in the low-lying areas

There’s a huge swath of marsh land covering staten island so there was a lot of encroachment from that and a lot of people who you know lived as far as a mile from that marshland um were completely flooded out you know six to ten feet in some cases and

When the region usually experiences flooding you’re talking in inches not not feet um and as i said on our tour of the rockaways with uh paul we you know the farther west we got we met in the far rock away far rockaway and kept going west the farther west we got which

Is more towards the tip of the peninsula the worse it got we went as far as rockaway beach on beach 116th street walked to the boardwalk or i should say where the former boardwalk was and instead there were just uh eight to ten foot mounds of sand that were brushed you know

Pushed from the water surge onto the onto the streets and sidewalks we were we were um walking about three three blocks in from the water and there was still remnants of sand that had pushed its way three blocks in from from the shore and of course that’s pretty much

The most completely exposed area of the rockaways at that end right uh a couple of the items you mentioned have something to do with infrastructure let’s tackle that question for a second in terms of what both what happened and what what the implications are for rebuilding

Uh first in terms of the the power system uh that was obviously compromised pretty severely at least initially places like the the rockaways and parts of staten island in a new york city sense you know has old infrastructure you know a lot of the country has overhead power lines but

Much of new york city doesn’t um and so places like the rockaways and staten island you know they’re they’re still getting up to speed it’s not always makes the most economic sense to have um power lines underground uh actually many communities in staten island had just installed sewer systems they were

Running on septic systems which you think new york city you never expected yeah one of the largest sewer systems in the world maybe not the most efficient sewers combined sewer system but uh the one largest sewer systems in the world they you know they their infrastructure

Is still getting up to speed slowly but surely but there is definitely more of an impetus for that you know after the storm and so it’s it’s reconsidering you know how we can strategize in bringing power to these areas without you know without um you know building incorrectly rebuilding incorrectly

But it’s difficult because the rockaways are such a low-lying area um how how deep do we build rebuild power lines if we do put them underground because putting them above ground we’re seeing the effects you know it wasn’t only at the breezy point along the commercial strips there was a whole stretch

Of uh businesses that were charred to a crisp from um saltwater you know hitting a transformer going up through and just you know this series of uh businesses just simply exploded and just burned to the ground and there was no way for the fire department to get out there from happening

In all that water there’s no way for the fire department to access those areas exactly you know the irony of it is that the rockaways um is home to a number of firefighters and so a lot of firefighters who are out in lower manhattan staten island you know had to get updates

About you know do i still have a home you know just a lot burning down but just in these isolated communities we need to think not only about power infrastructure but in combining them with new new transportation infrastructure a lot of the rail lines were completely devastated the a train is still not

Running to the rockaways they were able to get a shuttle train up going across the rockaways but i know adam long island and particularly new jersey their their coastal rail lines were were devastated long beach which was another affected community um it’s a big vacation community second weekend summer weekend home for people

Um just got rail service back this weekend and so it’s been about a month and i know the new jersey uh uh coast uh train line got up and running this week you know we were talking about that there were houses and boats on top of train lines that they had to remove

Yeah what’s what kind of discussion has there been so far in the city about uh potentially better protections for things like the subway system where it got flooded and ways of trying to keep some some of the water out of that system well the thing about the new york city subway

System is that they actually have a really great amazing pumping system you know it’s it’s running 24 7 and you know keeps keeps the subways as dry as possible the problem was that it was the surge of salt water and salt water would be immediately the amount of salt water was

Immediately corrosive and a lot of the generators and the transformers exploded in the subways and so the pumps shut down and so it’s finding new means of keeping those generators running maybe from a remote location just as a backup you know we have we may have the you know north america’s most

Expansive uh transit system but we also have one of the oldest and so it’s it’s really difficult you know just doing basic maintenance let alone implementing new technologies uh to get that up to speed but i think after this when you have everything below 40th street shut down

For um for a week there there is there is an urgency to seriously invest in in that infrastructure um also just in terms of the rockaways as i mentioned the a train luckily the long island railroad which goes uh to far rockaway and kind of back pedals from

Long island back into the city um you know that was up and running but the a train is kind of on a very narrow bridge that goes across jamaica bay and that was you know completely you know completely destroyed for all intensive purposes so it’s how do we reinforce

Though um those tracks um building stronger piles potentially because that that’s essentially the lifeline of the rockaways getting in and out if if you don’t have a car and many people on the rocket waves don’t okay um let’s talk about uh the role of the chapter since you are

Representing the uh the new york metro chapter of apa uh what sort of involvement is the chapter uh developing at this point uh how are they engaging it’s certainly got to be a challenge because some of them have to be among the people who’ve also suffered some property damage and outages and such

Absolutely a fair amount of our board were isolated and they said luckily they lived within a mile and a half of a cafe or a starbucks if they were in greenpoint brooklyn or lower lower manhattan that they could walk charge their phone get facebook updates to say

I’m okay quickly and that was it but we also have a number of members who are on long island and i was extremely worried because we had it had been a week and we had heard nothing from any of them so we didn’t know if um they had homes they’d you know let

Alone communication and so luckily every everyone we knew um you know came out came out fine but we’ve been extremely active i’ve been on a number of calls with the new york state department of state um who you know are are really want to take a regional

Approach you know we were talking about irene earlier and you know they said you know we had never dealt with anything like irene before and so we went municipality by municipality you know giving grants and just doing quick workshops based on the fema model um of recovery and they said you know we

Noticed after months that didn’t work because we were just giving throwing money at municipalities and they’re like we have a mayor and two staff to run this and we don’t really know what to do and so they said they completely needed to rethink their approach and they’re really looking to

Take a regional focus um which is what we’re interested in doing right now i was just on on the phone um with pratt institute and aia who both have been active and the crux of the conversation had been we can’t do this independently because we’ll be working at cross purposes stepping on

Each other’s toes um so we’ve been reaching out to all the organizations and groups i’ve been in touch with you know regularly with chuck platini president of new jersey chapter um they they were a little more devastated in terms of getting their infrastructure back up and running they

Were probably about half a week to a week behind in some areas in terms of power but now now they’re completely up and running they’ve been going 100 miles an hour which we’re really glad about because you know we’re running along right with them um immediately what the chapter is doing

Uh today actually we’re going out to the rockaways to work with the rockaway development and revitalization corporation just kind of has a first step of an overall apa initiative that you know paul you know is is completely behind for long-term resiliency and we’re looking to help develop a

Business plan just to get basic services back up and running the rockaways uh have suffered in in recent decades in terms of economic development because it used to be a vacation community and it transformed into you know a bedroom community as people you know at cheaper you know cheap flights you know drive

Drive two or three hours elsewhere and so it’s been slow um to to recover from that from that shift in economy but now is an opportunity to you know leverage the resources out there leverage the waterfront um that exists which is you know kind of closed off from part of the community

And just to rebuild businesses smarter you know we’re looking you know we’ve suggested mixed youth building mixed use uh we’re going to help them identify grants and such additionally into the to the rockaways we’ve also been reached out to brooklyn chamber of commerce and we’re having initial discussions with red hook

Which was another community that was affected a historical historically industrial neighborhood that’s kind of isolated on the other side of the brooklyn queens expressway that’s been slowly transforming into more of a residential community over the last 10 years and so addressing you know what are the next steps for that um not

Only to get a apa in there but just you know let these communities know that you know we’re here for the long long run but you know we’re willing to do these first steps after the immediate disaster recovery just to get the basic services up and running

Okay um one last question i know you’ve expressed some concern uh other conversations about uh issues like you know loss of trees and uh questions related to soft infrastructure and that’s that’s always an interesting question in such a dense urban area as new york city i mean even in areas like the rockaways

It’s still fairly dense um what kinds of uh issues and concerns do you have with regard to the role of green infrastructure in the rebuilding in new york well i’ve heard two separate accounts of of the impact of green infrastructure and what it really boils down to is doing green infrastructure right

I was talking to uh mike levine who’s our intergovernmental uh vp here at the chapter and he said some communities that had transformed their communities with their waterfront with green infrastructure didn’t didn’t do very well compared to you know the very hard sea walls um that other communities had

But meanwhile when i was speaking with chuck he was just you know he was saying you know there’s a differentiation between you know one community who just kind of did you know nice little garden landscape without much thought and others who had seriously looked at you know ecological restoration and those

Um those municipalities that put the extra time and effort into it they they fared um comparatively well and so it was just interesting hearing that comparison because you know we do talk about green infrastructure and we just you know it’s become more mainstream and we talk about it in a very

You know just kind of like hey you know just implement green and it’ll be great and it’s not always the case if we’re not doing it the right way then you know it’s it’s just going to be you know as i said a pretty garden along the waterfront that really does does nothing

To to benefit the waterfront communities when the storm surge and flooding happens like this so it’s it’s all about doing green infrastructure and soft infrastructure correctly and sometimes it’ll be blending blending of you know the hard infrastructure with the soft infrastructure it’s just a matter of you know looking at things regionally

And just and then going into each municipality to see what works and how communities play off each other like that right so you essentially you need some sort of comprehensive thoughtful strategy rather than just dabbling in it in order to be effective and new york city you know just

In the last year released its um amendments to the waterfront revitalization plan which was a great uh great document but even now they’re re re-reassessing it because they said you know you know maybe we can we can strengthen some areas um that you know

We had it before but you know as i said you know there’s already been thinking thinking about that um you know stuff going on long island and jersey as well so it’s it’s pretty it’s you know it’s it’s it’s being thought about even even free sandy but you know thought

About a lot more seriously obviously now because you know we one thing one issue with new york is that you know we have the benefit of many rivers being the world one of the world’s greatest ports but we don’t have a great relationship with the waterfront

We’ve been closed off for so long and i know the mayor has been you know doing a lot in manhattan and particularly brooklyn developing the waterfront rethinking build building parks and slowly you know doing doing other areas like hunter’s point in queens the bronx river

Up up in the bronx and looking at fresh kills in staten island but it’s it’s a slow slow but sure sure effort to uh you know to re-engage the waterfront in the world’s greatest ports great well thank you for uh participating in this interview for uh recovery news blog and we appreciate you

Taking the time to do this great thanks

ID: 3ExcdyE-xNo
Time: 1354051601
Date: 2012-11-28 00:56:41
Duration: 00:20:05

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