Title:اتصال برنامه ریزی اراضی عمومی به جوامع محلی

توجه: این پخش اینترنتی در حال حاضر فقط برای مشاهده در دسترس است و دیگر برای اعتبارات AICP CM قابل استفاده نیست. تاریخ پخش اینترنتی: ۲۱ مارس ۲۰۱۴ با حمایت: نوادا شرح فصل: دفتر مدیریت زمین (BLM) نقشی جدایی ناپذیر با دولت های عمومی، ایالتی و محلی و قبایل بومی آمریکا در نوادا ایفا می کند. آیا گاهی تعجب می کنید که BLM چگونه تصمیم می گیرد؟ با برخی از دستورات قانونی که BLM باید برای انجام پروژه ها با همکاری جوامع محلی دنبال کند، آشنایی ندارید؟ اگرچه BLM به طور رسمی در سال ۱۹۴۶ ایجاد شد، اما تا زمانی که سی سال بعد قانون سیاست گذاری و مدیریت زمین فدرال (FLPMA) توسط کنگره به تصویب رسید، هیچ دستور قانونی فراگیر برای مدیریت زمین های عمومی خود نداشت. FLPMA ریشه در اهمیت برنامه ریزی و مشارکت عمومی دارد و تاریخچه BLM نیز با تاریخچه مرزهای غربی در ایالات متحده آمیخته است. هدف از این جلسه معرفی شرکت کنندگان با ریشه های BLM، FLPMA و سایر قوانین مرتبط برای مدیریت گسترده ترین شبکه زمین های عمومی کشور است. درک بهتر این که چرا و چگونه BLM با مردم، شرکا و منافع مختلف کار می کند، همکاری بین حوزه ای را برای دستیابی به اهداف مشترک بهبود می بخشد.

قسمتي از متن فيلم: Hello everyone and welcome to the webcast my name is Christine derse I’m the executive director of APA Ohio and vice chair of the New Urbanism division and I will be your moderator for today’s webcast today Friday March twenty first we will hear the presentation connecting public lands planning to local

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The PowerPoint will also be available at Ohio planning org slash webcasts presentations alright I like to go ahead and introduce our speaker for today and get started mark spencer mark is currently the field manager with the Bureau of Land managements Red Rock Canyon and Sloan canyon national conservation areas Southern Nevada

District prior to moving to Nevada he worked with the BLM in New Mexico as the state planning and environmental coordinator his career has been at the county state and federal government levels and environmental planning community development and management this experience has provided him an appreciation of inner government relationships and the importance of

Local government tribal and public involvement planning on federal public lands mark started his career with the BLM in Washington DC where he helped to coordinate land use and resource planning efforts in the western states at the policy level prior to coming to the BLM he was the deputy director of

Resource planning with a maryland department of natural resources and he also worked with the Appalachian Regional Commission and Community and Economic Development mark is a member of the American Institute of Certified planners and has a master of planning with an inner with an environmental studies concentration from the

University of Virginia and a Bachelor of Science from George Mason University so without further ado I would like to turn things over to mark and get our presentation going mark thanks so much Christine are we on the air we’ll see if we get the slides up and everybody see

The slide yep we’re looking good wonderful well good morning it’s a real pleasure to use the high tech and I think reach almost 500 participants today literally from coast to coast and just shows you the amazing tools of technology that we have it or Han today I’m going to be

Talking a little bit as Christine mentioned about connecting public lands to local communities as if we change to the bureau of land management basically how we conduct business before I get into the business at hand though I like to do a little plug where I get to work

And if you look at the lower left picture i work at Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area it’s located about 20 minutes west of las vegas nevada and that picture in the lower left is a view from my office so I do have to gloat a little bit it’s

Wonderful to work at this place Red Rock was designated a National Conservation Area it’s part of the Bureau of Land Management national conservation land system was designated back in 99 and I think you can see why it has a calculor resources relating geological history documented early Native American sites

Going back thousand years fantastic recreational opportunities such as rock climbing and the list goes on and on so here’s my offer to all the participants if you ever plan to do a tour of the southwest and hit some of the national parks such as Death Valley in Yosemite

Please come by the Red Rock and knock on my door I always enjoy meeting our colleagues or either planners or resource managers in the field and I mean that sincerely so let’s get on with the business talking about the Bureau of Land Management I’m going to admit that

What I’m going to try to do in an hour easily could be done a number of courses from the National developmental Policy Act which some of you may have had a lot of experience with even just talking about the history of the bureau when manage as well as the history of the Western

Settlement of United States so I’m throwing I’ll admit the entire kitchen sink at everybody today which as you probably remember our professors don’t particularly like us to do but here’s the rationale the rationale is that I know we do have listeners on the east coast from Maryland and Delaware any

Maryland chapter listeners are there my former colleagues best to you all you may have limited knowledge of the Bureau of Land Management and how we actually conduct planning because basically BLM the bureau of land management is a is a Western agency its roots were in the western United States and conversely i

Know we have Lister’s in the midwest and all the way out to the west coast and you might be very familiar with how we do business and you may have been a cooperating agency for example so I hope at best this is going to be a good

Refresher for you the great thing about a webinar is if any of our participants goes off the speaker doesn’t have to see it so I guess that’s another advantage of the webinar as well so today’s topic someone try to build some foundations in parts I’m going to talk a little bit

About BLM history because it’s really interesting how BLM was formed and then get into how that history drove its subsequent laws regulations and policies then Ratchet it down sort of the part 3 how that is applied to our resource management planning for lands managed by BLM and opportunities for involvement

Those public as well as local and state governments and then Ratchet it down a little bit further more specifically get into the planning process with a bureau of land management how do we do resource management plans and how can locally to be involved in that process so there’s

Our mission and even though BLM may not be well known and part the United States we are the largest public land manager of any other federal agencies compared to the forest service for the National Park Service for example we manage about 245 million surface acres if you had to apply that

To the east coast that would stretch from Florida to Maine and we manage about seven hundred billion subsurface acres in the United States and that refers to mineral estate and look at the map there you’ll see the map the oranges public lands managed by BLM primarily in

The West we do have an eastern states office its focus is a great deal on mineral management or managing mental resources subsurface to state so the question is historically how to steal a phrase from one of my favorite rock groups back in the 80s and 90s how did

We get here how did BLM wyandotte the BLM in contrast to the National Park Service in its history and the u.s. Forest Service for example which was a lot more clean really i think the formation of BLM was really just sort of a random historical collision of events that precipitated in american history

During the past 200 years so that multiple use mission and which we’ll get into shortly is everything you see up there before you and even more we have a very broad legislative mandate we talk about multiple years the side boards for allowable uses contingent on our resource management plans and different

Laws and regulations are pretty wide wider than the Forest Service much wider of course in the National Park Service or the Fish and Wildlife Service is responsible for managing refuges so you have and gas you do have great recreation we do rangeland management cows sheep we do mineral resource management rock gold still

Were very very different in comparison to the national park service so that is that multiple use mandate that you have with the exception of Red Rock Canyon and our other national conservation lands those lands generally and I’m speaking in a general way are much more logged as to the National Park those

Side boards are more narrowly defined because red rock and or other conservation land units were established by their own particular legislation all right it’s not going to be quite 200 years and two minutes but almost but it’s kind of an interesting history when you look at the bureau of land

Management and how do we wind up with all those lands that were in yellow on that map that I showed earlier all right go way back to your high school history and maybe a 301 American frontier survey course if you ever took something like that in college and remember those maps

That the famous maps I had a quote allegedly from Horace Greeley he may not have actually tended you as I think an editor for The New York Tribune but at any rate you remember what happened you had the progression of settlement into western United States you had President

Polk and the manifest destiny thing and all these territories out west of course became states over time but ultimately as the western frontier was developed the question was to the government that’s how are we going to manage these public lands the federal land is probably in a more appropriate term

Because all those federal lands out there sutlers coming out west and early at the 18th century what agency or how could you actually do it and that is related to the general Land Office you probably remember the GL Oh possibly and bad B grade westerns back in TV when

Perhaps if you have ever watched them GL 0 is often station the various parts of the West and they were the primary administrator or for surveying and adding and the sale of federal lands in the American West Hamilton had that idea that was needed even in 1790 and then eventually the

General Land Office was formed I think in around 1812 now the interesting thing with this agency because this is going to tie directly to BLM you’re probably thinking my expense are talking about this and you’ll see why is that the general Land Office was in operation for

The better part of two hundred years and it kept being handed more and more federal land management responsibilities far greater that it actually can handle far greater than its resource capacity or skills or abilities so you can’t fault the agency in itself even by like 1862 if you remember President Lincoln

The Homestead Act was passed so you went from sale of federal lands but go out west and claim your 160 acres your quarters section of lamb or form westward ho thing and so the GL 0 started to administer that and then by the early 20th century the general Land

Office started to administer grazing leases on federal lands because yet the ranchers the farmers using those federal lands that were claimed simply by the United States for their for their cow or the sheet what happened then over time is that the GOL became under a lot of criticism because it just could not

Handle all of these different tasks or mandates including mineral management as well so what did they do well you have to jump ahead a number of years and the taylor grazing act was passed in 1934 established the grazing service and so they sort of parsed out that function or

Responsibility from the general Land Office to the grazing service and they obviously did what the name implies they work with farmers and ranchers and the use of those federal lands principally for grazing despite that assignment being made to the grading service they still became under criticism and I think in fairness

Because similar to the GL oh they had just too much to do didn’t have the resources to do it well they did as best as they could if you remember that map again we looked at a little bit earlier you had the lands managed by the BLM and

I should have put also some lands and green to denote Forest Service lands and Park Service lands lands that eventually became parks over time because if you can envision that map you have land still owned or owned by settlers privately owned lands out west which is the white you have parks being formed

And then you had the Forest Service be enormous forest reserve plan anything else that was left a federal land then it’s greatly simplified that it was a distilling process became the Bureau of Land Management and in 1946 they combined the grazing service and the general Land Office essentially to

Create BLM Christy if I used too many acronyms and I’m very sensitive this to our colleagues you can flatten it slide space and I will always try to OOP if we lost something here are we still on for state yes we’re still here I don’t I’m not

Sure why you lost your screen alright Darius there we go okay you know what I apologize the participants I have an automatic pop-up which can be deaf on Google all right so any of the lamps that were essentially sifted out and not claimed its Forest Service lands or Park

Service lands were privately held became ultimately BLM and that’s where you get that vast acreage that we described earlier that’s actually managed by us so in contrast to the park service and Forest Service where things were moving fairly early to the formation eventually of the park service with Yellowstone

Being designated in 1870 to the park service established in the 26 3 and the forest service that you see there on that particular slide things removing quickly but vom was more slow to a ball just again because of the way these events actually occurred or transpire

Now notice what i said in 46 but the BLM being formed actually there was no organic legislation such as with the National Park Service there was no founding legislation at that time so BLM continued to try to manage as best as they could kind of similar to the

Grazing service and GL 0 despite this consolidation of public lands under one agency it had to respond to a number of laws often conflicting that makes sense and the Bureau em management became under criticism and again mostly due to a lack of driving legislation to solidify how we’re going to manage these

Remaining public lands and how we’re going to plan for them so it really wasn’t until the 1960s that big change is actually occurred and there are two laws that really drove the final boundary legislation for the Bureau of Land Management actually almost ten years later than the classification and

Multiple use act that you see there before you 19 before CMU okay I’ll fall for the afternoon we’re not going to get into the law above which was founded or actually passed by Congress in 61 now I’m going to focus on the classification and multiple you say this act actually

Was driven through by secretary you dolt in the 1960s and this was during the third conservation wave if you want to call it that was happening at that time and the act when it was passed really helped the Bureau of Land Management set up its policy direction both for

Management and for planning and the act directed the BLM to no longer just react to all of these uses that were being proposed on public lands on a case-by-case basis and signing off on grazing permits or mining permits for example instead of said we want you to

Classify these public lands do you want you to assess them we want you to inventory them determine the resource value determine which lands are suitable for disposal and then also what should be retained and provide some recommendations on how you’re going to manage these land there was a huge test

Because the classification and multiple use act was a temporary act it wasn’t permanent it wasn’t designed to be permanent but for what it were for a number of reasons it was temporary yet it provided the BLM an opportunity to start solidifying policy and direction there are three directors back in the

Early 60s without weighing into detail about them with exception of one that really were way ahead of her time and they really push through some significant principles dealing with Public Land Management conservation of resources as well as planning and that was landstrom Stoddard and rath lesson and last room was an attorney by

Training which is perfect because he worked very closely with secretary Udall on being and getting the classification and multiple use that pass at that time BLM we didn’t have a good organizational structure and they kind of reorganize the bureau to be more responsive to local communities by eventually

Establishing what we call the day field offices what was really interesting is he you know he along with Stoddard who was the second line established that interdisciplinary team concept the old id team some of the planners and all of it all of us take for granted today so

This is a big move from administration permits and leases of adjudication to proactively managing and proactively planning and planning done by the contributions of different disciplines and the field in order to make better decisions and something again it’s fun that we do this all the time I know as

Community planners state be planners or if you were the federal government but this is this is a big change back then the other big changes were whereas think particularly Stoddard was coming from as he recognized the need for planning and BLM did not have a planning system that

Did not have plan in place if i recall starter to graduated from the university of wisconsin i don’t know if we have any wisconsin listeners out there but he actually sent some of his resource staff to attend classes on regional planning at the university of wisconsin really interesting because he recognized the

Value of planning that’s needed to make good decisions and that he started the first actual plant called master framework plans which set the stage for how we do planning today we call them resource management plans and again going from case-by-case decisions to working with the public to draft an

Agenda on how you’re going to manage these public lands for the future and as you notice the second bullet the public involvement process again something all of us take for granted today bear in mind lead for the National Environmental Policy Act wasn’t signed into law almost ten years

Later when this was going on he recognized the need for public involvement so does secretary you’d all the other agencies were going in that direction so along with a planning process he integrated public involvement and a lot of actually saying a lot a few managers had great reservations pub kill

Public involvement that may delay the planning process we can’t have that so daughter was very strategic and he set up some pilots and it works so well condensed the rest of the management staff at this yes this is a good way to go to get the public involved so we can

Make better decisions and also lamb designations designating special lands on how they should be managed by the BLM such as red lock started to come into place as well so despite all these attempts though in 1960 BLM are still facing a lot of challenges largely because of budget and not having

Adequate staff and not having an organic legislation unlike us to the park service so you had a lot of abuse on public lands you dad dumping the trash you had races that were occurring that they off-road OHV that’s what that means for example in California so one thing

Vo and Jen this is kind of a sidebar is they said we really need to improve our image and also we need to get the word out to the public to educate them about the values of these lands that are managed by the Bureau so for our service

Has Smokey the Bear and what were we going to do and this is pretty advanced for the bureau at that time they came up with this guy called Johnny horizon and that was the BLM mascot believer not back in nineteen seventy and all they nice to get and I don’t know the

Specific history of this may be any listeners with BLM to chime in via keyboard they managed to live quite a few popular singers at that time as you can see Quinn Campbell and burro lies and I think that’s funny and share down the lower right corner and they did songs

And you know not trash BL and do not dump on them so it was interesting officially they phased out Johnny horizon I’m not quite sure why if you look at him closely similar listeners depending on shall we say experience or age might see that he kind of recognizes

The Marlboro Man but anyway he was eventually discontinued incidentally they even had a Johnny horizon environmental test kit that somehow BLM managed to contract out or make an arrangement with Parker Brothers you could buy this test kit that had water quality sampling tools and all this

Stuff and one of our staff members gene actually found an unused test kit on ebay where she brought him to my office after i did a similar presentation on him last year so if you ever want to find a giant are wising test kit go onto

Ebay and see if you can locate one so BLM did grow over a number of years and our budget today is about over a billion dollars it’s one of the fewer agencies that actually generate surplus revenues primarily from mineral royalties or revenues are greater than that budget

And this is the source i obtained back into 11 on an annual report for obviously the bureau through the use of management of public lands generates quite a bit to the local and national economy and you can see those figures there when we talk about payments in

Lieu of taxes that is an arrangement with states where because that land is federal land or public lands it cannot be taxed the Bureau of Land Management actually pays out a pill payment lieu of taxes based on the amount of land that’s managed in a particular state and I gave that example for

Nevada up there on the street all right let’s talk about the fun stuff I’ll try to make it light it’s kind of hard when we talk about laws regulations and policies when I remember and I always try to empathize being a planner when Marilyn is when I started with the

Bureau of Land Management and actually I was a cooperating agency when i worked with marilyn and we actually worked with BLM one on one of the few planning for raised on the east coast I remember the federal government does business quite a bit differently compared to quite a few

States and especially local government I think because of the laws that we have to deal with and then the subsequent regulations which expand on those laws and then the policies it makes it really prescriptive on how we do planning it doesn’t take away creativity but we have

To do these things to comply with the law now if federal land policy and management act was passed in nineteen seventy six so if you recall BLM was formed in 46 the CMU classification multiple use active expired and it wasn’t until 76 until BLM’s organic legislation if you were was actually

Established flippant okay we’ll use in a premium and that really spelled out how BLM was going to do business as well as respond to quite a few other environmental and cultural resource laws the really neat thing about this fact that I always found and I think planners

Will is that in Section 202 would be act it has a lot of language on how the BLM is to conduct land use planning and it’s really interesting is that the LM must do land use plan the land use plans must relate to our decisions on how they’re

Made on the ground it has involvement requirements like you see before you where the secretary shall keep local governments and tribes not only a prize are planning we’ll also we need to know what’s going on at the local level as well that’s really landmark and that’s kind of

Reflective stoddard if you remember who I mentioned the second director of BLM who was very focused on planning to help make good decisions so laws regulations and policies that’s that’s it kind of laid out and three bullets before you that we do our planning and decision making based on public involvement and

That they’re too driving axe on how we do planning on BLM lands one is flip m’a which I just described before and it’s planning requirements and the second is the National Environmental Policy Act which actually was signed along in 1976 find by Nixon 59 if you all remember the

Debtor thing because flip ma does have some very similar language that the National Environmental Policy Act has in respect to planning doing environmental analyses impact analyses and then coming up of alternatives and eventually a decision or a plan so these two laws we really have to kind of follow and

Envision them like two railroad tracks going down the line putting on the left side needs on the right and that we kind of go through those requirements as we actually develop our land use plans or we do simply an environmental impact statement or an environmental assessment because if I mentioned the federal legal

System and these laws stiller a bit general we used a code of federal regulations which many of you are probably familiar with you’ve worked with us or worked with other agencies or even on a project it requires applying with NEPA or the Environmental Policy Act so the CFR’s we call us for our

Organic legislation and other laws you are really designed to amplify Claire why provides further guidance on how we do planning and how it must be done and then just like any local or state government we have policies which further amplified and clarify how we’re supposed to do business and I’ll have

Some go to references at the end we have a BLM planning Handbook which is available online which I found very helpful for local and state governments as well and the our environmental policy handbook to you can both get those online if you’re ever interested or if

You can’t sleep at night you can print out a copy and take it home opportunities for involvement coordination and consultation our CFR s do expand both on planning and opportunities for public participation which is really key and you can see that requirement which I particularly like very similar to the requirements and the

National Environmental Policy Act which we shall provide the public opportunities to meaningfully participate and the preparation of plans not that that’s a great quote I think that’s really important I think sometimes I have observed and I felt it when I worked with a state agency frustration from local governments or

State governments on a somewhat laborious process again a prescriptive process as I mentioned on why in hell would you have to do planning and again it’s still relates to these legal requirements and if we don’t do them right if we do not do our due diligence

And even though it’s the right thing to do regardless that we can set ourselves up frankly for litigation for example retracting or unnecessarily retracting a planning process this is power poisoning am I going to make any apologies and here’s why I want people if you want to run this off or have the

Text in front of you I know have violated every Power Point principle you have but this way you can at least run it off consider it a class or more of a workshop and then you can still have context with the slides rather than me just talking so there’s the

Opportunities for coordination we have formal opportunities and informal opportunities and i should say more informal there’s a wide range of how local governments tribes can be involved in the public can be involved and that text is pretty self-explanatory that you see before you the key thing is that we

Do have other laws to like working with tribes that require us to do tribal consultation and then again that has also mentioned at our planning regulations as well so you’ll see redundancy or reiteration many times of both resource management as well as planning requirements but I find it

Really interesting with some of this door beers that you have before you is that said that we must assist in resolving to the extent possible inconsistencies between federal and non-federal government plans when we’re working on a plan that involves both public lands and then may affect adjoining communities likewise means for

Public involvement for other federal agencies and where possible appropriate develop our resource management plans with cooperating agencies which I’m going to touch on in a minute local governments state governments do have an opportunity to become a cooperating agency in our planning process which allows one essentially an amped-up opportunity for involvement and helping

To make decisions I mentioned on ebook which I’m not going to get into and some of you are very familiar with a national environmental policy act and I was going to talk about our planning process in a moment but again when we develop a plan essentially fly with the Environmental Policy Act

Our alternatives must be analyzed for their impacts when we’re developing that plan and then ultimately our preferred or proposed decision whatever you want to call it ultimately becomes our plan the regardless we have to analyze the impacts of each alternative we have to have an open and transparent public

Process we have to base our plan on issues so they’re relevant Jermaine and any decisions we do just like with our colleagues who are listening now they must be based on a strong rationale regardless if it’s local state or federal government you’ve got to have the rationale the purpose of our plans

The same jurors it’s really important you have to assess your environment the alternatives must be based on issues that have been identified and then which makes our plans a bit challenging is we have to still comply and fold into that planning process other federal laws ranging from the Wilderness Act back in

You dolls time all the way down to the bottom and many many more as you all probably are aware such as endangered species act of 1973 so those acts all have to be folded in the process and if your call just like you probably have your work environment that’s where that

Interdisciplinary team is so critical to deserve the ones you know these other acts and requirements that relate to good resource management decisions that are so inherent in the planning process all right might take a little sip of water here from on it let’s talk about BLM planning process very similar to

Regional planning that you probably see before you nothing’s new going back to starters and 1960s and university wisconsin sometimes the death why are our plans of two feet thick i say that sometimes pinch tongue-in-cheek there hundreds and hundreds of pay is at the whole other discussion in

Itself a lot of its due to legal requirements generally though our planning process is a blueprint is this going to explain how we are going to make management decisions and I don’t really like to say 10 years or 20 years we’re very careful not to set up a

Framework on a time limitation on a plan but generally you’re looking at that time span with things changing so quickly though in the West and more development with studies expanding and changing issues though we have found that we’ve had to amend our plan frequently in on Bureau of Land

Management lands to respond to those changing conditions so a planning that is often how we get up to speed with the current time plans also establish goals and objectives for how we’re going to manage the lands desired outcomes as we call it and then how we’re actually

Going to meet those objectives now let’s see if I could I on nextdown yeah here it is okay so if you’ve gotta take away the names on your left you’re really kind of looking at a regional comprehensive plan it could even almost be a zoning plan there to try to relate

To some of the listeners down here again going back to Stoddard beside having these qualitative descriptions of how we’re going to manage lands we actually have been a map of the area that we’re planning for such as red block be a good example that red rock we don’t do necessarily Minerals Management and

Working through alternatives and public and decisions these program areas we designate on the map area is a critical environmental concern those are areas that have special or unique values how many acres and how are you going to map that special recreation management areas I don’t need to explain it this or

Self-explanatory travel management refers to how a road is going to be managed and used are you going to have open roads where he body can drive on them are you going to close your ears to OHV use etc realty because the BLM has a very white sideboards again for how we manage our

Land and what are allowable uses we do allow whites aways we work with towns off on the town may need a new 500 kv line in order to get that electricity to the community that proposal is made to put that line through BLM public land elsewhere to get there so those are real

Key decisions right for ways realty that’s how we kind of refer to that it also refers to renewable energy such as solar being proposed on BLM lands or red turbans for example pipelines the list goes on and on exclusion areas that you see down the bottom left is you can’t

Have any realty actions they’re likely because it might be related to the top bar and the area of a critical environmental concern that’s being proposed to be designated so I hope that makes sense and it’s probably it’s again the very same principle that we do for regional planning or comprehensive

Planning as well nothing there so we’re updating a heck of a lot of plans throughout the Bureau all the time as I mentioned and again just things change really quick I mentioned renewable energy ten years ago that wasn’t on our radar that this would become a national initiative with our presidents a very

Important initiative so working with proponents in the public on proposals that deal with solar energy again in wind farms has become a very big workload post in Nevada as well as the state of California for the Bureau of Land Management all right here we go the old planning compound complex molecule

Everybody seen this and just like some of those regional planning concepts we were talking about earlier it you all have variations of this i know on your planning process the difference again i think to some degree is what we have to do is very be prescriptive though it doesn’t really

Disallow some great creative opportunities for getting the public or local government involved and because it’s prescriptive our planning process if we don’t do it right more often not when the bureau gets challenged for developing a plan often it’s not on the content or the approach the very often

Is on possibly violating some legal aspect for requirement of the planning process so we don’t want to do that it’s real important that we adhere to these gada dues just like all the the heady planning process at the local or state level we have to know what’s there and

Assess the data and we develop issues working with the public and those issues set up the side boards for what is going to be considered in the plan those side boards that are really expressed as planning criteria what will be considered and will will not be considered in the plant when we start

Working on a plan itself as I mentioned these or reiterative that we develop alternatives which relates back to the Environmental Policy Act the alternative one might be a variation of a proposed plan resource management plan alternative to might be another variation of the plan alternative three might be another variation of the plan

And we look at the effects of those alternatives environmental impacts on the resources after the draft plan is released the public and we get comments on that we identify a proposed plan which is you go to the lower left of the screen you’ll see issue a draft resource

Management plan drm p we get public comments on the draft and then we issue a final plan a proposed resource management and along with the environmental document when we release that proposed plan we actually then call one of those alternatives the proposed plan so you know exactly what’s being proposed now

Interesting that villain has an unusual outlet valve before a plan for example they get to court or challenge through litigation do you look at the middle lower part of your screen you’ll see resolve protest this you notice that significant change is applicable this is a good good steam valve but it’s pretty

Laborious that if anybody has participated in the planning process they can write at that point after the final plan has been released and protest the plan you can’t protest it just because you don’t like the decision or the alternative the protester must show a significant deficiency and the

Formulation of a decision and how it relates to the assessment or the development of alternatives or misinformation or inaccurate information and so sometimes for controversial plans you know that deal with a number of issues in the western states you can get hundreds of protests and you have to go

Through these protests and sometimes it’s good because you may have to take the corrective action for the better and then go on with your rod which is a record of decision if the protest is not germane or doesn’t meet the requirements for showing the required deficiencies then that protest is dismissed and again

You might find interesting being planners out there or resource managers at the steam valve it’s a good kind of one more catch if you can change something in case is a real controversial plan that may ultimately wind up in court so I hope that helps a little bit a little bit different from

Perhaps estate planning process or local government process depending on where you are one comment we have often is that our plans are to general and sometimes our resource management plans are dealing with millions of acres in Vegas alone we have well over two million acres in the

Las Vegas district office and part of that includes Red Rock Canyon and Sloan canyon national conservation areas so because we’re dealing with such vast areas we often have to ratchet down our environmental analysis for subsequent proposals in a specific area and often you might have to do the same thing so

We often do that through a subsequent environmental assessment with a decision or if you have to an environmental impact statement but sometimes you hope that that eif has already been folded into your resource management plan and we call that kind of caring but when you go to specific areas dislike for your

Resource management plan to make a decision you’re looking at your vector sex and indirect effects are cumulative effects of different proposed actions and that what are those aspects on habitat minerals development forest you name and everything you see there before you so when we Ratchet it down to call

It cheering you go from a big map broad decisions that kind of big zoning map I showed you earlier BLM decisions and there are narrowed down from a 30,000 foot to a nose on the ground level when you have to look at a specific action

Like a road being proposed to go to be LMAO by accounting for example i’d like to talk a little bit as it relates to those proposals on third-party proposals what i mean by third-party well there it is before you got member i mentioned that the Bureau of Land managements mission

Its side boards for multiple use management it’s extremely wide again wider than some of our sister agencies and we do and can entertain different types of proposals from local governments state governments tribes even outside entities on BLM lands provided it’s consistent and I’m going to give that word again or conforms to

Our resource management plan decisions and it conforms to the other requirements by law as well and I’ve touched on some examples of these types of proposals solar event which is the national priority for us now a special recreation for amid a right-of-way ground for the transmission lines that we discussed earlier communities need

Power and that’s a reality that all of us have to deal with so the bureau of land management does accept and actually analyzed proposals from third parties that can be a local government state government it can be a business enemy and we analyze them to determine if it’s

Doable or not based on prior land use planning decisions so if you look at that flow process that’s kind of self-explanatory but usually when we get together with local planners in the west of the county or perhaps the business community let’s say Nevada electric that’s working with the local government

Agency here the first thing we do is we put together a pre-application meeting and we get together with the proponents and we talk about if this proposal can fit within the rubric of my requirements or not sometimes these proposals are very very expensive and so to not

Burden the taxpayer actually we set up a contributory account or fun cost reimbursement account where for example a solar company will actually reimburse our staff or labor on time for reviewing the environmental document that’s prepared and then also where we actually make the final decision because it

Requires a lot of time if some of you know if you’ve ever worked with BLM on a proposed solar project for example or a wind project about Edison you know that that process you have before you there on third party take a look at the upper right the old plan conformance thing

Just like all of you have now that that proposal has to conform with our resource management plan and hopefully what’s in the plan it’s been analyzed adequately but again if it’s for a specific area where I’ll say you have open for a right away based on the realty decision you’re still probably

Going to have to go in for a subsequent environmental analysis and that’s where the proponent is going to have to pay for that cost so I hope that’s clear if the proposal doesn’t conform if the right-of-way is being proposed a transmission lines for an area that’s close to realty close your right the

Ways then you can’t put it there unless you amend the plan just like local governments going to amend the plan or consider amending the plan or even a reject the proposal so that’s the plan conformance thing specifically identifies whether or not proposed action is consistent with the terms

Conditions and decisions of the plan a deja vu of our planning 101 back in college right and those are some of the questions and examples that I alluded to earlier for lack of a better example because they used to deal with renewable energy quite a bit in Southern Nevada doesn’t plan

Asian allow conditionally allowed or preclude the action and how are you going to make this decision based on that analysis so we’ve talked about cooperating agencies I don’t know if any of our planners probably in the West primarily possibly and the Midwest have ever worked with the bureau of land

Management in a planning process as a cooperating agency you know we always have to work we want to work because it’s the right thing to do with local communities and governments and we can do that through informal consultation informally working with you we can meet with you because they’re not going to be

Violating any law that deals with the Federal Advisory Commission act and that means we just can’t ran them or really really meet with the public if we want to we have that open meetings public meetings but when we work with local governments we can meet with you one-on-one and that’s a requirement

Through our laws if you become or decide to become a cooperating agency and that’s the explanation for what it is it’s self-explanatory it gives local governments a vastly increased opportunity to provide input to BLM before BLM makes the final decision on planning direction to be a cooperating

Agency you have to have jurisdiction by wal I means you’ve got to be able to raise your own money you have to have be some kind of legal entity of the town you can end or have special expertise which many local communities do of course and it can include tribes that we

Found often the tribes don’t ought to be cooperating agencies because many tribes consider themselves as nations that we have our own requirements for working with Native American tribes again little PowerPoint poisoning they’re not going to go down everything but again what it requires us to do if you decide to sign

On to become a cooperating agency it gives you begin an opportunity for much more input you can really work with us one-on-one sit-down to identify issues that a local government of community feels that should be considered we you can provide much more actively information to us and we can work with the effective

Cooperating ages the more intensely to look at that data and it’s a lot more effective if you’re a cooperating agency to help develop an alternative very often and cooperating agency which they hate we’ve got an alternative that you like to that you should consider in your plan and that alternative is actually

Fold it into a draft resource management plan so it’s really important when you work with a nice sound they’re always a few bumps like historically that I’ve been a planner working with local communities but there’s some there’s some cases a lessons learned here that particular ball found is that one is you

Want to get the cooperating agency the local government involved right away and even if you’re not a CA you always want to get local governments involved right away or we’re just starting to plan and more important really before starting a plan you want to have that relationship

There and it and so it’s you’re ready to go and by doing that when you get the ca involved early you’re not going to duplicate efforts and you’re going to make better decisions ultimately so does this relationship and sometimes I observed over time that this might be a frustration with local or state

Governments that they require the BLM and co-operators for example to make decisions by consensus and that’s that’s an ideal world and all of your planners and it’d be really great if we go is to work with our different interest groups which might be very varied a great deal

To reach consensus but sometimes that’s simply not possible we always try for collaboration is an operative word and we try to work with the local governments as much as possible communities to make a consensus-based ultimately just like a local government state government that’s responsible for your domain the Bureau of Land

Management has to make a final decision and up a little more on the consensus based approach as well but I found a really great and terrifically rewarding to work with cooperating agencies and also work with communities and local government is just really critical as we all know you certainly don’t want to get

Down the road and come up with a draft plan where you have emitted key players in the planning process and there’s a little close little dated from I don’t know them personally mr. Rooney and fidelis is out of our cooperating agency handbook and there is no over you know

And again corporate agencies I forgot can be state agencies as well such as a department of natural resources it can be other state agencies that can be regional agencies long as it meets the cooperating agencies requirements and as I mentioned you can get this online which I’ll have at the end of the

Presentation which I’m just about done we have a lot of q and A’s for you and it also has a memorandum of understanding template that MOU that we set up with local governments become a cooperating agency is critical and it really defines the roles of the Bureau

Of Land Management you it defines the expertise that could be provided by the respective agencies which is really important you’re going to try a hash out a schedule not only for the plan but then how and when is the local government state government going to be involved and then how when or comments

Going to be provided how you’re going to handle pre-decisional information that’s another key point you’re cooperating agency you’re actually looking at pre-decisional information for the draft goes out to the public that’s a major difference between dis consulting or working with a local government versus the ability that you had to provide

Input that you’re a cooperating agency and also how you’re going to handle conflict you know how you’re going to handle disagreement more one and fresh out those mo use the better it is for reasons we all know so well it’s only four minutes off Christine and take home

Messages I think those are just three bullets of a lot of stuff that I covered today I hope this was helpful too many of you and not too redundant for some planners or professionals you might be more stabile familiar with how we do business but the key thing is everything

We do on the ground everything I do with our staff and volunteers for example of Red Rock Canyon National Conservation on the ground must be linked to Red Rocks resource management plan I just can’t make any decision and there are formal and informal opportunities for getting involved there are a lot of different

Avenues for becoming involved and some of those are more driven by laws and regulations for good things it’s a good thing to do whatever I due diligence but it doesn’t really the gate are creative ways that we can employ working with you that the Bureau of Land Management to

Develop a plan will help make decisions on public lands so I hope that what the hell has been really a great talking everybody in such a wide spectrum of a geographical audience and I’ll turn it over for any questions at this point great thank you and we do have some

Questions banked already so everybody feel free to type in any of your other questions we have about 25 minutes the first question in what ways does BLM regulate lands in or coordinate with City in the center of high-density metro areas oh yeah sure really good question

Vegas is a not act be called Vegas out site this is an example a big little town I’m from the east coast used to live around the state that’s huge but but with Vegas Phoenix is another good example more familiar with those areas no differently than really what I just

Explained to you that the public lands we call it interface you know with expanding community is a significant issue especially if some of these towns of studies are expanding rapidly so again the way we do that is one can be informal with constant or regularly scheduled meetings with our local

Officials or the local planning professionals or planning department and I think that again that’s about relationships an informal way of communication for example the city of henderson is next to las vegas nevada and just two weeks ago I went on a great hike with the city planners in henderson

Whether archaeologists at Sloan Canyon National Conservation Area and to talk about flown canyons attributes and benefits to the city of henderson as open space and working with a city on even developing an integrated or coordinated trail system so that’s the informal approach and i think that that communication and relationship

Regardless of the size of city but even if its larger that’s what we try to do here and again with larger excuse me i should say more formal opportunities you get into the the more formal planning process if you’re developing a plan resource management plan we knock on the

Door of that large city to reach out to the elected officials as well as the related departments or agencies let’s say in that city city planning departments to see if they want to become involved as a cooperating agency or what level of involvement they would like to

Be so I hope that kind of encapsulates it and I think also that communication is two ways that it’s really important that if the city is concerned about an issue or a municipality that and we’re not aware of it can’t be aware of everything just like everybody to knock

On our door and let us know I’ve had regular breakfast meetings with commissioners here as well as County Commissioners out in my County so that that relationship and communication on a constant basis is really critical so I hope that helps a little bit great um given the current and predicted

Long-term drying of the west and given that a dramatic expansion of the Western deserts may be a reality for the 21st century how is the BLM planning for this much drier environment particularly with a significant loss of grazing acreage and drying up of aquifers boy these are really good questions they really are

First of all I’m gonna preface this to how can I do this the best way you have my contact information so whoever is asking that question one is I want to refer you to our state office to really provide you a more depth in certain I’m

Going to provide okay and that we are working on that but I want to refer you to our colleges a couple of things we’ve been working on one is rapid ecological assessment of our landscapes which takes into account drought drought is very very big on our radar throughout the

American Southwest as all of you know the effects of drought also must like anything and especially now must be analyzed in our planning process through resource management plans environmental impact statements or EAS and why do I is trying to come up with better models or predictions of what the landscape is

Going to look at with this continuing trend and how that is actually folded into an analysis during the planning process so those are some ways that we are employing now that’s a very good question which requires a sense of dialogue and I want to give you more expansive information on that so that’s

Called or give me a call shoot me an email and I’m going to refer you up to Joe and our state offers likewise with drought and climate change how one wants to parse that out in the definitions that’s on our radar of course at a policy level as well and climate change

Is also considered in our planning process too okay next question is it not a slight conflict of interest for the BLM to be paid by the entity doing the proposal on a negotiated basis or is a federal fee schedule previously established based on an action or value

Of work involved all right now to give me two part excellent questions really really good look at this relates to ethics and how we do business and nominee that we conduct all of us because your local government to conduct our business practices in a highly ethical manner and i’m assuming

Referring to third party proponent the discussion that we had earlier correct I think so I I woulda saw yeah yeah i think i mentioned that pre-application meeting and that when let’s say is hypothetical we sit down with the utility company that is proposing a pipeline across land managed by the

Bureau of Land Management even though they’re going to be providing funds for the analysis of this proposed underscore project in the development of alternatives through some kind of environmental document we required by law we make it crystal clear to the proponent that even though they are providing funds for the development of

This project that the ultimate management and responsibility and decision making by the BLM is separate from them they may provide some expertise because of your knowledge they may help develop the document but we have to make it and we do as required by law very clear to them

Even though they are providing sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop an environmental impact statement that one is it’s the BLM’s the public’s environmental impact statement not the proponents and that’s why that pre-application meeting that kickoff meeting is so important so you can make that very clear to the proponent and

They understand that and sometimes you have to work with them so they do understand that so despite that being funded from the outside it is BLM and a public document it is not influence our decision so for example if you select a contractor to do the document we may

Provide that company or they can go out and look at contractors to do it but they have to go through a screening process the hiring selection process just like we would do if you’re going to hire a contractor internally or the Bureau of Land Management and that screening process TPAC is a call

Sometimes it is ultimately managed and handled by the Bureau of Land Management because when we’re screening and looking at those contractors to do the document ultimately we want the most capable individual or company to do it because that documents got to hold up to all the requirements that I just discussed

Earlier it has to be a good quality documents OBO mne must make the final decision just as an example on the contrat on the contractor who’s going to do it and likewise we work with the company throughout the process but we make it very clear that ultimately where

The manager of the process we’re looking at the qualities of documents you ensure compliance and then obviously integrating that into all our public and governmental involvement requirements throughout its development so I hope that answer is the first part of your question as far as how we actually set up a fee structure

We do a cost estimate and that’s done through open process and public can always look at one it’s just not by any means hidden is just like possibly you when you have to estimate how long projects are going to take and you have to put your hours and labor and all this

Down we do exactly the same thing we unlike anybody you become more and more familiar with certain projects over time such as utility rights away or solar or when and you do an Excel spread with estimated staff who want where labor total salaries operational costs and

Then that is billed to the third party to an accounting process such very stringent so I hope that explains both your questions great could you comment on the ways that BLM interacts with school districts many of which build new schools on land adjacent to bacon BLM land which often leads to isolated

Facilities far from the students they serve okay could you repeat that again please sure could you comment on the ways that BLM interacts with school districts many of which build new schools on land adjacent to vacant BLM land which often leads to isolated facilities far from the students they

Serve ah probably probably probably not I serve chuckling there’s an interesting question because it ultimately the decision to locate a school is made by the school not by BLM so if it’s through an RN PP act or recreation public purposes act where a local government mabel to lease land or have it

Eventually turned over to him I’m thinking generally that’s going to be proposed by the school district and not be alone so I hope correct me if I’m wrong listener if I’m responding to your question correctly I understand what you’re saying but ultimately where that schools going to be located is not a

Decision of the BLM okay um how does the BLM work or coordinate with the Department of Defense especially regarding the Nellis test and training range I have sexy we have some good Nevada planners out there may be some mttr the data test and training range of listeners out there hello whoever you

Are I probably have worked with you so a number of ways one there’s a I can’t remember the proper term and they just had a meeting I used to be more involved with them but essentially there is a an annual meeting if not more so with mttr

The department of defense for example in nevada that we have with all our military liaisons as well as the Bureau of Land Management and that also includes other agencies as well and sometimes those meetings are up to two days long with that coordination process sometimes it can be issued driven such

As the development of the current Las Vegas resource management plan which is being updated or it may be related to a number of issues so we use that that military cooperating group that agency cooperating group is a major tool likewise for example with the Las Vegas

Plan which they’re working on now on the southern district office here in Nevada I know that the mttr representation has been attended previous planning and scoping meetings during the development of that plan there are even believe it or not with mttr is a wild horse purge

Have to tell a Pinellas range and we work very closely with the MTT are on the ground staff the air force staff out they’re on a number of resource management projects so I hope that answers your question and again like another example would be with solar and

Wind Nevada some of the listeners may know has extensive air training areas for the military sometimes proposed solar projects or wind turbines which are 400 feet high nail post conflicts with military training space airspace so and those projects particularly we always bring DoD the military and white

A way to see what may or may not be feasible depending on what the project is located all right let’s see here do you have examples of how BLM is integrating hazard mitigation planning and its work I don’t have a specific example as a listener wants me to

Actually the listener doesn’t mind drop me a line and our free to our hazmat coordinator at the stated office which was recently hired as a matter of fact so drop me a note I’m not going to speak in general terms not specific that hazmat well Mike lecturing me by has

Hazardous materials so your friend of hazardous materials might have to close the loop on this with a person who pose a question Christine are you referring to hazardous site I’m not or Superfund sites I’m not quite clear on a question okay we’ll see if they can respond back

To that um so in the interim Natalie um sort of related our ongoing studies done on hydraulic fracturing mining and standard drilling sites yes and one is I want to preface that again we’re Southern Nevada doesn’t have any active fluid mineral as we call it site so I’m

Not as boned up on that as I used to be however I did work yeah BLM’s new mexico state offices christine mentioned where oil and gas is more extensive or common in northern New Mexico around the Farmington area in carlstadt and coincidentally I do know they are starting on such an analysis as

You described in the Farmington area if you like additional information give me a call and I refer you to Gary who’s our deputy director for minerals management up in the state office and that relates also we had one more thing to legal requirement is that that’s a great example of change through technology

Which nobody had known about that particular method for oil and gas at that time we’re now we’re having to update or revise NEPA documents and analysis in order to address that technology okay ah our brownfields an issue how are they handled within the context of your resource plans I’ve

Never had a ground feeling so I’ll have to take the fifth on that but they certainly have to be addressed absolutely I know in Maryland there was quite an extensive brownfield program and they work there with the Department of Natural Resources but again if we have a brown field even a Superfund site

That is folded in through the planning process and what’s kind of interesting is a brownfield if it’s on public lands make that very clear it can actually become designated it’s a bit unusual as an area of critical environmental concern the ACC’s can have terrific natural resource values it’s a little

Confusing that same designation can also apply to hazardous sites with their own particular prescriptions or decisions that apply to them I can’t give you a specific example because I’ve never had a brownfield involved when I was the planner okay and we heard back from the previous question he was

Referring more to natural hazard mitigation such as wildfires flooding climate change severe storms ah okay very good so and again repeating the question again Christine if you don’t mind was how do we integrate that into planning crack yeah yeah take a look at any of our resource management plan the

The current let’s say i’ma try to think of a recent plan look at some of New Mexico’s plans or red rock canyons national conservation areas the resource management plan there that you can get online with a go to links that I had so for example wildfire there is their

Extensive sections or a section in all of our plans now that deal with wildland fire and both hazard mitigation as well as how addressing that particular issue is going to be integrated into our resource management and that’s a really good question just focusing a well fire with our expanding urban area especially

The public land urban interface wildland fire mitigation and working with the communities and integrating those decisions and our plans are fundamental to how we do business today likewise with flooding or other types of hazzard we hope that we’re going to catch those issues during the development of any

Planning process and again fold that into an analysis or assessment and subsequent decision and if we don’t know what we hope the local government will make us aware of it so we can address it too okay thank you next question BLM wants to put up gates on entrance areas

To BLM land but the access is on county road ways what rights do BLM have in these types of cases I don’t have specifics there on a question and that’s that’s a good question but I don’t know enough about the background information so a lot of this deals with essentially

Federal government and local government interpretation of who owns or manages what so I want to sort of not address that because I don’t think I can do it adequately based on what was posed BLM can only manage the lands that it actually owns that the debate I think

What you’re asking about is well if this was a pre-existing right away or used by the local government possibly why has that been gated and that is a very extensive legal question that I could call up our solicitors and we could get into a whole other discussion about Rs

We call it RS 2477 so for the person who made the query shoot me a note and or if you want to give me a call I’ll be happy to chat with you about that as well as for their lands and realty staff all right the Red Rock Canyon management

Plan reads more like a plan for a city park than it does plans for other national conservation areas how do you balance the needs of a local public with the National expectations of NCAA based on public input during the development of the plan so what I’m possibly hearing

Is sort of an opinion on the development of the plan or how the plan looks like which we certainly can appreciate ultimately the decisions rather than see there are based on public input but my shortest answer to that now that says red rock canyon is more annales to a

Park like setting just to the sheer nature of its designation back in nineteen ninety its legislative framework it does have a heavier emphasis on protection and preservation and it’s organic language and that does drive both the side boards for the plan that perhaps the listener is looked at as well as the subsequent

Decisions so you want the oil and gas of course you’re a red rock because minerals have been withdrawn we do deal with a lot of recreational issues so much are very intensive due to the sheer numbers and visitation that we get here so it’s always a challenge it’s still

Multiple use with more narrow side boards but that balancing that that use and preservation is always been the challenges much of our listeners know with any planner or resource manager all right I think we have time for one more question does BLM have any proactive programs or initiatives for protection

And nurturing of any endangered species on BML and BLM not yeah not not for morning Chris legislation that comes through to protect the area to designated areas of course comes through Congress and passing the bill or comes to the president through some kind of order but again for protected species of

Desert tortoise which is very big on our radar here in Southern Nevada it might be the stage grouse and other parts of the United States yes because when we develop plans resource management plans we must consult with our other federal agencies that are responsible for those

Laws so when we’re working on plans for red rock Las Vegas we have to consult with Fish and Wildlife we work on them with them to do a biological assessment of the affected species particularly that the desert tortoise we come up with a biological opinion with them and all

Those decisions and prescriptions of stipulations that come out of those documents are folded into our resource management plan and very often you know sometimes we’re challenged plans on endangered or listed species issues that’s why we need to do it with due diligence all right great well mark

Thank you it’s already to 30 here on the East Coast thank you very much for joining us this was really great and it wasn’t dry and I you know I felt like some of those scary slides we’re still really useful um so thank you for that just a few final reminders the Nevada

Chapter thank you for sponsoring today’s webcast and don’t forget to log those cm credits and if you didn’t get a chance to write down marks information and you need it feel free to email us we’ll grab his powerpoint and post that on the website and sometime soon next week

Probably you’ll you’ll see this video so if you need to check back about some facts we have that for you so again thank you Nevada thank you Mark and everyone have a great weekend bye bye thank you bye bye

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